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Objective won't load in OSX Leopard?

Thomas Holm — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:37:08 GMT

I just upgraded from OSX 10.4.11 to 10.5.2. Everything works fine, printing is much improved, etc except one thing:

Archicad refuses to load Objective. I've got Objective 11 2.0.2. Worked fine previously, but not in Leopard. I changed the file permissions on the Objective folder and its contents to full R/W for All, but it doesn't help. Should I change name of the Objective.bundle to Objective.apx? Or is it some other known issue?

This is Archicad11 Int and Swe with hotfix 1200.

Re: Objective won't load in OSX Leopard?

Eduardo Rolon — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:54:29 GMT

Do you have the infamous "unknown user" when you do a command+I?

Re: Objective won't load in OSX Leopard?

Thomas Holm — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:38:05 GMT

ejrolon wrote:
command+I?

Do it on what?

Re: Objective won't load in OSX Leopard?

Eduardo Rolon — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:51:01 GMT

On any folder or file.

Mac OS X 10.5: Finder may restart when trying to change file permissions

Last Modified on: December 10, 2007
Article: 307128

Issue or symptom
 When trying to change file permissions in a Finder Get Info window, the Finder itself may restart after the "+" button is clicked.
This issue can affect accounts that were migrated from Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger.
 Products affected
▪ Mac OS X 10.5
Solution
1. Log in as an administrator.
2. Open Terminal (in /Applications/Utilities).
3. Type the following commands, each on a single line and followed by Return (enter an admin password when prompted):

sudo dscl . create /Groups/username GroupMembership username

sudo dscl . change /Groups/username RecordName username _username
 Replace the italicized "username" with your account username (which is also the name of the user's Home folder, in the Users folder). Remember to include the underscore "_" before your user name in the second command.
If you have more than one account on the computer affected by this issue, you should run these two commands again for each account, substituting with the appropriate user name each time.

This document will be updated as more information becomes available.

Re: Objective won't load in OSX Leopard?

Thomas Holm — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:38:03 GMT

Thanks Eduardo,

but I don't have that precise issue (the Finder doesn't crash). However I've found I have other issues - some folders I can't access without typing in my password first. Seems absurd if I've just created that folder myself.

And in the GetInfo window, some folders/files show an (unknown) account in addition to myself (the owner) and everyone.
I can live with that.

More serious is that I just found out that Fiery Remote Scan doesn't work - I can't retrieve scans from our network scanner. This is a problem!

I didn't know about this. I haven't noticed there are permissions issues when you migrate to Leopard. I used the "Archive and install" with "preserve settings" option. I thought this would avoid such issues, instead of the standard "upgrade" option. To do a blank new install and then transfer all accounts and data is so much work...

I still have the option to go back to Tiger, I did a full bootable SuperDuper backup yesterday. Do you recommend that?

Re: Objective won't load in OSX Leopard?

Eduardo Rolon — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:01:04 GMT

I am trying to ind the original posts at

discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=235

AFAIK the origin of the unknown user has to do with how 10.4 handled users were a user's group was also the users name. This changed in 10.5 were an user's group is not the same name. For example

In 10.4 when you created an user "1" his group was "1"
In 10.5 that changed so group "1" becomes "unknown".

Previous to the 10.5.2 patch it used to crash the finder and it happens even with an archive an install. Basically if you bring a 10.4 user folder you might get the "unknown" user back. Therefore it has caused a lot of grief since nobody knows what gets screwed beyond the finder crash, thus "MAYBE" your Fiery scan might be affected and maybe Dwight's and Matthew's on this link.

archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=115813#115813

Here's the link to Apple's KB

docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=307128

Anyway since you have a SD clone you can't lose by trying the fix. HTH.

Re: Objective won't load in OSX Leopard?

Ralph Wessel — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:01:50 GMT

Thomas wrote:
I just upgraded from OSX 10.4.11 to 10.5.2. Everything works fine, printing is much improved, etc except one thing:

Archicad refuses to load Objective. I've got Objective 11 2.0.2. Worked fine previously, but not in Leopard. I changed the file permissions on the Objective folder and its contents to full R/W for All, but it doesn't help. Should I change name of the Objective.bundle to Objective.apx? Or is it some other known issue?

This is Archicad11 Int and Swe with hotfix 1200.

Hi Thomas,

Do you have OBJECTiVE 2.02 or the latest version 2.12? By the way, you can contact us directly if you have problems like this. For the record, OBJECTiVE has been tested with this configuration without problems.

Re: Objective won't load in OSX Leopard?

jespizua — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:28:27 GMT

I´m using objective with the same system as you and no problem here.

Re: Objective won't load in OSX Leopard?

Thomas Holm — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:35:39 GMT

jespizua wrote:
I´m using objective with the same system as you and no problem here.

Then you'd better change your signature

Re: Objective won't load in OSX Leopard?

Thomas Holm — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:46:21 GMT

Ralph wrote:
Do you have OBJECTiVE 2.02 or the latest version 2.12? By the way, you can contact us directly if you have problems like this. For the record, OBJECTiVE has been tested with this configuration without problems.

Thanks Ralph, I posted here instead of contacting you because I had a hunch something like the permissions issue, not related to Objective, would be the culprit. I have 2.02 as I posted.

I must say I'm really confused. This permissions issue should be very common if the descriptions in Apple's forums are correct. Yet I've never heard of it. I can't even remember having seen it at Maxfixit, a site that's a real doom predictor these days. And even if it affects user space, I have no idea why it would prevent applications from running.

Re: Objective won't load in OSX Leopard?

jespizua — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:50:54 GMT

Thomas wrote:
jespizua wrote:
I´m using objective with the same system as you and no problem here.
Then you'd better change your signature

hehehe, sorry. Just received my new mac pro two weeks ago.

Re: Objective won't load in OSX Leopard?

Thomas Holm — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:55:46 GMT

ejrolon wrote:
Anyway since you have a SD clone you can't lose by trying the fix. HTH.

No But I have work to do! I already planned tp work all weekend. And now this on top. But thanks for your help anyway.

Re: Objective won't load in OSX Leopard?

Anonymous — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:31:52 GMT

OBJECTiVE is working fine for me. Both Mac & Win.

Re: Objective won't load in OSX Leopard?

Thomas Holm — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 10:10:38 GMT

Update:
I've applied Apple's permissions fix. Thanks, Ejrolon!
I've downloaded and installed Objective 2.12. Thanks Ralph!
Now Objective is working fine.

And I've run into no issues with the permissions yet. But I AM worried. Apple's fix introduces a new Group called _thomas (in my case). We have a fileserver running on an old G4 with Tiger which I don't plan to update (it has Sharepoints as server software). It has never heard of this new group. There, I'm either part of the admin or the staff group. What's going to screw up next? (that is of course a rhetoric question

But I'd like to know what procedure you guys recommend for upgrading a fairly crowded (lots of programs and data) Tiger machine to Leopard when there is no plan of changing the hardware? What's the optimal process, least work but no major screw-ups? Or is the optimal solution just DON'T?

And how do you guys manage your permissions?

Re: Objective won't load in OSX Leopard?

Thomas Holm — Mon, 26 May 2008 16:17:05 GMT

Additional info here.