topic Re: ArchiTerra in Collaboration with other software

ArchiTerra

Anonymous — Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:46:35 GMT

I am having trouble getting the road tool in ArchiTerra to work. The fill associates its self to the "0" or bottom of the terain. How can I get it to assocate it to the top of the terain and to follow the contours? Thanks

Re: ArchiTerra

Anonymous — Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:55:08 GMT

First it is obvious from the AT Dialog box and the program task bar in the Screen shot that you are using AT 3 and AC10. Is it AT version 3.07. Also are you using build (1183) of the AC10 release. (Best to have most of this info in your profile Signature.) I have also had some mixed results so far with the creation of roads using a Fill. If the Fill is fairly rectangular in shape (fills that I used to test with, never get a "clean" shape in real life) then the road generates fine. A fill the I had that as not as clean (the Real-life test), did not generate properly. I am continually attempting to get a good result........

Re: ArchiTerra

Anonymous — Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:12:05 GMT

First Road created. Check

Now See if I can now manipulate the Slopes.

Any luck at your end, Case?

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Anonymous — Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:51:40 GMT

Well.....

Back looking at the Created road (Before any Manipulation), and because I set the slope angle to 33-degrees for any possible fill angle, AT seems to have created a "Fake" Fill and the corresponding contour lines at that angle. Even though not digging or embankment is required.

not a big deal to have a imaginary cut or fill line below the Mesh that is not seen, but because it effects the Contour Tool Object associated with the Mesh., this is a problem.

Re: ArchiTerra

Anonymous — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:00:16 GMT

I gave this a try this morning with two applications noted in the screen shot. Would you agree that the slope extension can't be the same? The first time I tried it the S.E. were both 4" and didn't work. However, I got it to work with different numbers. See image. Any thoughts?

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Anonymous — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 15:51:27 GMT

here is another example

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Anonymous — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:42:39 GMT

Case wrote:
I gave this a try this morning with two applications noted in the screen shot. Would you agree that the slope extension can't be the same? The first time I tried it the S.E. were both 4" and didn't work. However, I got it to work with different numbers. See image. Any thoughts?

Case, I think like myself you are not quite understanding the slope Extension and what it's uses. As far as your screen shots, I do not see enough grade change with the road location to see a need for a slope extension. I will send via PM a e-mail I received from Fabrizio about the slope extension. I am still a bit unclear, but he is always great in trying to make thing right.

I do not know what you are trying to use the S.E. to accomplish. If you are trying to change the slopes and grade of the road surface I believe that you can raise the road objects nodes in the 3D window. I usually raise the nodes using the Longitudinal section and Rebuild the Mesh.

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Anonymous — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:55:27 GMT

Yes, I am unclear as well when it comes to the S.E. My site is 2459' long with only a rise of 30' ± the entire length.

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Anonymous — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:56:45 GMT

Case wrote:
here is another example

Again on a mesh as "flat" as this one appears, I do not see that you will see any Diggings or embankments no matter what value angle they are set to.

As far as the middle of the road getting "filled-in", I would be curious what fill lines you are using as your road ends. this Circular type of road may have to be at least two different segments (Fills). In my previous post you can see that I have broken my road way into segments, Orange fill color and 'green' color. I also previously had fillet radius' at almost all of the corners. The curved sections are not represented properly in the Longitudinal Section, so for the most part for now I have decided to model the Roads with sharp 90-degree intersections with connecting roads. This is not real life, but AT is a nice tool for what I am doing. For proper coverage calculations and 2D representation I have a fill that represents the Rood surface and this fill will show the proper radius intersections. I would like to send you a few other copies of e-mail questions that I have for Cigraph if you do not mind. PLease send me PM with e-mail address. Or I will do the same.

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Anonymous — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:04:52 GMT

I applied a 90º cut on two of the sloped angles and got this.

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Anonymous — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:53:26 GMT

Yeah the Factory S.E. is set to 2-meters. (I envy the metric world). but it will only come into play on slopped or "wavy" sites.

From the AT Users Guide on page 58, if using a polyline to create the pavement you are allowed to enter a Thickness for the pavement.

If using a Fill this seems not to be an option. Before setting the embankment angle to 90-degrees, what other angles did you try? Because you are using a fill, each side of the roadway is calculated based on the existing grade. It would seem that the steep angle "raises" the road bed enough to not have the "shallow" spots.

Most of our work is in the mountains, so my issues and challenges with AT my be a bit different.

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Anonymous — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 18:44:11 GMT

here is a section of road I tried with the revierse degree's.

Left:
90º
06º

Right:
Same

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Anonymous — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 18:54:23 GMT

this one with factory default settings.

Left and Right
60º
60º

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Fabrizio Diodati — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:27:24 GMT

Here I am after a long silence due to the fact I’ve been busy in the past days.

Ok, as usual, to be sure of the cause of the trouble I should see your file but, in any case, what is quite obvious to me is the in your examples the SEO failed (this is because you don’t see anything).

You have to take care that using complex roads plan shape, the resulting slopes can be really complex for the AC SEO.
On the other hand, after more than one year of beta testing, I realized that you can have troubles also if the ArchiCAD SEO doesn’t modify too much the terrain.

When the roads just lye on the terrain (often the terrain survey already included the road data like in the first Jay's example) the best solution is to use the coloured area tool.
In this case the Fill used to modify the terrain can also includes holes (in the case of a road the holes will be skipped).

Also, please pay attention, the two click you make on the selected fill (using the road tool) will identify the left and the right side of the road so they are really important.
The fill I see in your splash screen doesn't let you identify in a proper way the left and the right side of teh road...
You should split the fill in several parts which will better identify the pieces of roads.

What I can suggest you is to:
- save your file under a new name
- delete anything is not related to ArchiTerra
- send me this PLN file and I will check it

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Fabrizio

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Anonymous — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:02:06 GMT

starting all over....

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Anonymous — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:53:39 GMT

Fabrizio wrote:
When the roads just lye on the terrain (often the terrain survey already included the road data like in the first Jay's example) the best solution is to use the coloured area tool.

In my example the Terrain Survey (DXF file of points) did include the road data. The fills were placed and one of the roads was created. Once the road was created (this is the step you saw), I create a Longitudinal Section to modify the road slopes to fit the Project to be built on the site. This had yet to be done. I like to use the Longitudinal Sections to represent the finished roadways to the local building departments, and for now I do not like the way that the Section tool represents the Flared connections between the intersecting roads. I am for now choosing to create Fills that do not have radius fillets at the intersections. Once I have a final product I will post.

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Anonymous — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:31:05 GMT

I gave up on the road tool and Fabrizio instisted I use the colored area tool. Its much better. Any sugestions on curbs? I was having trouble Tuesday. Am am going to add new post on curbs shortly.

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Anonymous — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:41:51 GMT

How can I move spot elevations and add new ones.

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Anonymous — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:58:48 GMT

I want to add a basin in my site by adding new elevations point for the Basin Tool to work. But can't figure out how to get new points in terrain.

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Fabrizio Diodati — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:05:45 GMT

Use the plateaux tool to perform both the action:

1. sloped plateaux for the first issue
2. a "normal" plateaux (digging) to create the place where you want create the basin

BTW, what you are trying to do (selecting nodes and terrain and clicking on the terrain tool) is not described anywhre in the user manual...

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Fabrizio