topic Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11 in Collaboration with other software

3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Srinivas — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:11:52 GMT

Hi,

I have a problem exporting an ArchiCAD V 11 model into AutoCAD 3D. Attached is the image that I saved from ArchiCAD V 11.

I am working with ArchiCAD USA V 11 - Build 1033.

I am using the same DWG translator settings in both the versions, but still with no luck.

Thanks in advance.

- Srinivas

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Srinivas — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:13:02 GMT

Here is the image of the same project that I saved from ArchiCAD v 10 before migrating the project to Version 11.

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Thomas Holm — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:32:47 GMT

I don't know if it helps. but you're 3 hotfixes behind. Help >Check for updates.

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Srinivas — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:36:58 GMT

thanks for the response, I was not aware that I am 3 hotfixes behind intentinally skipped one of the hotfix because it had problems, I will download the latest one and get back

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Srinivas — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:05:24 GMT

Checked with the latest build, but with no luck.

Did any one had this problem?

Thanks

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Thomas Holm — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:09:28 GMT

I haven't seen it. I think you should report it as a bug through your reseller. If possible, supply both your .pln, any custom materials, your saved translator and the dwg output you get.

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Erika Epstein — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 01:18:18 GMT

Have you tried exporting it with a 3D translator such as IFC?

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Srinivas — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:08:19 GMT

Erika wrote:
Have you tried exporting it with a 3D translator such as IFC?

No I didn't tried it yet, but can AutoCAD directly open IFC or does it need an addon to open it?

Thanks.

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Anonymous — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:40:45 GMT

No, no IFC with vanilla AutoCad, but AutoCad Architecture (former Architectural Desktop) has it.

Anssi

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Erika Epstein — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:07:37 GMT

Srinivas,
What are you trying to accomplish?
The entire model to be used in autocad? autocad is 2D
2Ddrawings?
You might also be able to export the model as a library part, but even if that works is this going to be helpful?

Autocad is 2D, revit is 3D and the latter uses IFC.

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Srinivas — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:56:33 GMT

The reason for me to export the model into AutoCAD is that I want my engineer who uses AutoCAD to see how I want the building to sit on to the existing terrain and that's the reason why I am saving it to AutoCAD 3D.

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Erika Epstein — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:08:44 GMT

If the engineer is using autocad, then she will only see it in 2d form i.e. section,elevation and plan so send dwgs of those views.

You might set up a DWG folder of views to update your consultants. These would be saved with DWG layer combination(s) and model view options.

Create a publishing set for the engineer and then you need only to republish as your project evolves.

Also send a pdf of the current architectural when you update consultants and include 3D views either on a layout or as independent photos. These round out the picture for your consultant.

[you could suggest they switch to a 3D program such as archicad]

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Anonymous — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:16:25 GMT

Erika wrote:
If the engineer is using autocad, then she will only see it in 2d form i.e. section,elevation and plan so send dwgs of those views.
[you could suggest they switch to a 3D program such as archicad]

Erika,
We all love Archicad here, but I don't think we should misrepresent other products as grossly as this. AutoCad has been a fully 3D application since about release 10 (appeared in the late 1980s) The older 3D interface was of course nothing to write home about. 3D editing features were introduced to Archicad in version 6.5. AutoCad is a drafting program, not a design program.

Anssi

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Thomas Holm — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:21:40 GMT

Well, it depends on how you see it. As I see it, Archicad was 3D from the beginning in 1986. I started using it in version 3 something, in the early nineties. I did 3D design and editing then, modeling buildings from building elements, walls, slabs and roofs, and generating drawings, plans, sections and perspectives from the 3D model.

In Autocad, from version 10 or something, you could add height (z-values) to lines and other graphics. There were external applications that took advantage of that to make something they called 2 1/2 D. But modeling? Nope. At least not in Autocad alone.

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Erika Epstein — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:50:17 GMT

Anssi,
I've never used autocad. When I evaluated it years ago, it seemed more like computer drafting, not modeling, as I knew was possible and available even then using other programs. I recognize the importance of autocad in the history of computers in architecture, but even twenty years ago it was in my opinion behind the times.

My understanding is that the 3D version of autocad are add ons. The Autocad offices I've seen are primarily still drafting in 2Dand whichever program they used for 3D modeling was done parallel to, not integrated like with Archicad and Revit.

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Eduardo Rolon — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:56:26 GMT

As a 15 year AutoCAD user.
The addon for Autocad was called Advanced Modeling Extension and it was for R11 and R12. It substituted the option of fake extruding (thickness) and the 3D face command by including a real extrude and boolean operations. You could use paper space to define the elevations and you could use the "section" command to extract them or you could create PLT files and reimport them. Clunky? Maybe but totally useful.
Afterwards AME was included with the regular Autocad and it was one of the differences with AutoCAD Light the other being LISP programming and running custom routines.
I know this because I did 3D modeling using Autocad during my masters 1992. Therefore not knowing how to use something does not mean that that software cannot do it, it just means that you don't know how to do it.

Image was modeled in AutoCAD R12 (DOS), rendered in Electric Image (Mac) and cleaned up in Photoshop 3 in 1994. This was done over a weekend around 36 hours of work.

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Erika Epstein — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:53:22 GMT

Thank you Edourdo,
I am learning a lot about Autocad's abilities.

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Rakela Raul — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:07:17 GMT

we just got autocad 2008....nice interface, (2D & 3D interface), along with it a software calld 'Impression' , sort of a piranesi like.
these autodesk guys are sleeping at all.

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Anonymous — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:58:24 GMT

Thomas wrote:
But modeling? Nope. At least not in Autocad alone.

Actually, truth be told -- AutoCAD is a superior modeler at this time to both ArchiCAD (without Maxonform) and Revit. Lofts, meshes... all can be done in AutoCAD from v2007 onwards. AutoCAD's main value is that it's the workhorse for a lot of other software; the civil engineering community uses Civil 3D which is built on AutoCAD. But for the building industry, AutoCAD's necessity is something like the way a fish needs a bicycle. I only say this because my wife says Gloria Steinem was wrong 😛

And I don't have anything to say about AutoCAD Architecture. But if you're in AA, it's obvious you need help

Re: 3D AutoCAD Export Problem - ArchiCAD 11

Thomas Holm — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:07:48 GMT

Wes, I wasn't talking about Autocad 2007. It didn't exist 15 years ago