topic Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try... in Installation & update

Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

Rick Thompson — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:47:34 GMT

My AC was opening very quickly, once upon a time, but became very slow to the point of getting very irritating. I was thinking it was a library issue, then I remembered what I use to know.. clean up the old preferences... at least using Mac OS. Now it is back to it's refreshing opening. I'm not sure what the main culprit was, but would like to know should anyone have any idea. I suspect it was in the Work Environment, but I don't understand this stuff. I had many (40 -50) ProfileSets, maybe due to the fact AC doesn't seem to keep the settings very well. Most times I open the Work Environment it has gone to custom in most areas. I ditched all the old AC11 preferences too. The spinning beach ball was occurring after the library loaded. The time had grown to over a min, and now is back to 15 sec. or so. While this shouldn't happen (bug to me), it does.

So, I suspect I am not the only person this happens to, and I wonder how many people just live with it.

(ps.. to those who do beta, those preferences had already been trashed and I was having this problem).

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

Anonymous — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:20:19 GMT

Hi Rick
One thing that ticked me off recently was I just built a custom
tool box, made sure it was part of my screen profile,
saved the .pln; it stayed put for about a week, then,
BANG, the personalized tool box I made was gonzoed.
Just as if a thief came into my office and stole my stuff.
Hey GS; That I believe, should NOT be happening!
Bier
ps
I only have maybe three profiles, but my problem is
AC 12 does not shut down quickly sometimes,(1-2Min).
even if it is the only application open and all AC"windows" except
2d are closed.

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

David Maudlin — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:42:04 GMT

Rick wrote:
...Most times I open the Work Environment it has gone to custom in most areas...

Rick:

You should be able to select your existing Work Environment profile and click on Redefine rather than creating new profiles. Thanks for the tip on deleting unused profiles.

David

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

Rick Thompson — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:14:04 GMT

That's the sad part, I do. It still reverts to "custom" regularly, and I assume that is where all the temp ones come from.

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

David Maudlin — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:56:11 GMT

Just as a follow up to Rick's discovery, I looked at user/Library/Preferences/Graphisoft/AC 12.0.0 USA v1/WorkEnvironment and found over 100 ProfileSet files (ProfileSet0662889033.xml for example). They are only 4KB in size, but it seems like these files should not be propagating like this.

David

Edit for spelling

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

Stress Co_ — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:07:43 GMT

David wrote:
I looked at user/Library/Preferences/Graphisoft/AC 12.0.0 USA v1/WorkEnvironment and found over 100 ProfileSet files

I've got 250

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

Karl Ottenstein — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:13:29 GMT

I had around 350.

This is some minor bug, but I do not believe it affects startup times. Each time I launch AC 12, a new ProfileSetxxx.xml file is created - before the open dialog appears. So, just Start AC and then click the Quit button, and there is another xml file.

Each file is identical.

I'll report it.

Karl

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

Ralph Wessel — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:09:31 GMT

David wrote:
Just as a follow up to Rick's discovery, I looked at user/Library/Preferences/Graphisoft/AC 12.0.0 USA v1/WorkEnvironment and found over 100 ProfileSet files (ProfileSet0662889033.xml for example). They are only 4KB in size, but it seems like these files should not be propagating like this.

Slightly different path - username/Library/Preferences/Graphisoft/AC 12.0.0 INT v1/x86/WorkEnvironment - and found 560 of these!

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

Karl Ottenstein — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:20:52 GMT

Ralph wrote:
Slightly different path - username/Library/Preferences/Graphisoft/AC 12.0.0 INT v1/x86/WorkEnvironment - and found 560 of these!

Oops. Yeah, left off the x86 folder. So, now we know you fired up AC 12 560 times since the last fresh install. At least one of us is really working! 😉

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

Rick Thompson — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:25:12 GMT

Karl wrote:
Ralph wrote:
Slightly different path - username/Library/Preferences/Graphisoft/AC 12.0.0 INT v1/x86/WorkEnvironment - and found 560 of these!
Oops. Yeah, left off the x86 folder. So, now we know you fired up AC 12 560 times since the last fresh install. At least one of us is really working! 😉

Cheers,
Karl

I guess my measly 40/50 says a lot about the housing market However, I never shut it down... wishful thinking

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

Rick Thompson — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:27:40 GMT

All this aside, if that was not causing the slow start ups, I wonder what I deleted that fixed it?

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

vistasp — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 02:48:23 GMT

Karl wrote:
This is some minor bug

So it's on Mac only, then?

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

Karl Ottenstein — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 05:48:06 GMT

Rick wrote:
All this aside, if that was not causing the slow start ups, I wonder what I deleted that fixed it?

Well, maybe it was part of the cause? Ralph, with his gazillion files would best be able to tell us by timing before and after deleting them. When a new file is created at startup, ArchiCAD must be checking all existing files in that folder to make sure that the new file name is unique, which would take a little time, but I wouldn't think it would be dramatic.

Dunno.

Karl

PS Vistasp: I don't have a Windows machine awake right now, but you could check in Documents and Settings\username\ and look down into Application Data subfolders or Local Data subfolders to find where the WE stuff is saved on Windows....might have the same problem?

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

vistasp — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:10:01 GMT

Karl wrote:
Vistasp: I don't have a Windows machine awake right now, but you could check in Documents and Settings\username\ and look down into Application Data subfolders or Local Data subfolders to find where the WE stuff is saved on Windows....might have the same problem?

Hi Karl,

I'm still on AC10 which has no such problem. I asked only because I've been contemplating an upgrade. So far the sheer number of bugs that you guys have found, has discouraged me from taking the plunge.

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

Anonymous — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:16:24 GMT

Karl wrote:
I don't have a Windows machine awake right now, but you could check in Documents and Settings\username\ and look down into Application Data subfolders or Local Data subfolders to find where the WE stuff is saved on Windows....might have the same problem?

The same thing happens on Windows XP SP2 (C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\Graphisoft\ArchiCAD 12.0.0 INT R1\WorkEnvironment\). I've deleted those files (there where around 130 of them), but I can't say that AC12 starts faster now. So maybe the problem lies somewhere else?

Cheers,
Adrian Tudoreanu

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

David Maudlin — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:27:20 GMT

vistasp wrote:
I'm still on AC10 which has no such problem. I asked only because I've been contemplating an upgrade. So far the sheer number of bugs that you guys have found, has discouraged me from taking the plunge.

vistasp:

This is barely a bug, and one that does not affect ArchiCAD's operation. The new features and speed increase in 12 are worth the upgrade, all the versions have some bugs, but for me 12 has no bugs that make me wish to use any earlier version.

David

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

vistasp — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:38:26 GMT

David wrote:
The new features and speed increase in 12 are worth the upgrade, all the versions have some bugs, but for me 12 has no bugs that make me wish to use any earlier version.

Thanks David, that's encouraging. You're right that this doesn't affect AC's operation but what I'm more concerned about, are the bugs in library parts. Does anyone have a clue when they'll be (mostly) fixed?

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

Anonymous — Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:28:31 GMT

twimc
xp home, sp3
E:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\Graphisoft\ArchiCAD 12.0.0 USA R1\WorkEnvironment
There was 362 "profile set.....xml"s (I shut my machine off regularly).
I had been having long waits on shut down, not start up.
Since I just deleted the profiles sets listed above, AC shuts down instantly,
at least on the two tests I just did.
Or maybe it's something else I'm not aware of that sped up the shut down?
However, maybe after a longer session, long shut down times could be back?
I'll re-post if that is the case.
Fwiw; In a sub folder of WorkEnvironment "UserPreferences" I only have the three preferences I set up.

Bier

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

Chazz — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:09:10 GMT

Bier wrote:
I had been having long waits on shut down, not start up. Since I just deleted the profiles sets listed above, AC shuts down instantly...

This is completely consistent with my experience. Shutdowns were taking a long time (even when performed without a save). Deleting the 315 WE ProfileSetxxxxx.xml files I had accumulated returned my shutdowns to instantaneous.

Sounds like a bug to me. Thanks for the tip-off.

This feels like something that should now get a thread all its own.

Re: Is you AC slow to get going? Then try...

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:40:44 GMT

For vista users the path is:

C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Graphisoft\ArchiCAD 12.0.0 INT R1\WorkEnvironment

After deleting these files:
1. AC starts up faster
2. Project file load time is the same (about 16M - solo project)
3. Saving project time is same
4. Closing AC is significantly faster.

S