topic Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad in Installation & update

Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

aahatimo — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:45:59 GMT

The new MacBook pros have been announced and the latest and greatest version is the 15" retina displayed, flash memory beauty. http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/
There are no new 17" models even showing up on apple's site no idea if that means discontinued or what.
Any thoughts about how archicad will look on the new display?
Will graphisoft optimize ac for such a display in the future? I hope there is one of these babies heading to budapest soon!
I really need to replace my 4+ year old, overheating Mbp soon, just not sure if I should pull the trigger on the latest and greatest, but smaller 15" unit or buy a refurbished current version 17".

Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

Anonymous — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:56:39 GMT

If it's goint to be your primary display I would recommend the 17". While the extra sharpness of the 15" would be nice it will still have less work space. If you'll be using it at a desk with a 27" display most of the time then the 15" would probably be fine.

Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

Eduardo Rolon — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:11:09 GMT

FYI 17" has been discontinued.

Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

Erich — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:51:19 GMT

aahatimo wrote:
Will graphisoft optimize ac for such a display...?

Yes, see here

Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

Erika Epstein — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 03:19:36 GMT

ejrolon wrote:
FYI 17" has been discontinued.

DREADFUL news

next thing you know Graphisoft will be announcing smaller palettes....

Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

Anonymous — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:22:26 GMT

No Erica
They'll be proudly announcing the ribbon…

😉

Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

aahatimo — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:23:38 GMT

it is awesome graphisoft is already on task updating v16 for hi dpi / retina screens! not sure how the scaling works for now.
i have found no official notice that apple is permanently dropping the 17" mbp. there is a good possibility that there will be a refreshed one in the fall. there was speculation a few months back that there would be no more 17", guess we will see.
would it be possible to even use archicad running the full 2880x1800 rez on a 15" monitor. not sure i could even see the tools on toolbar! but everything would be crisp at 1680x1050 or 1920x1200.
i have not been running ac on my present 17" mbp at full 1920x1200 often because work environment is too small. my older 23" acd is typically at 1680x1050. guess i will try higher rez out for a while or break down and get some computer / reading glasses. could take the newest version 17", max out ram, pull out super drive and install a ssd and still have a great 17" mbp. just not 25% thinner, 20% lighter, 2x more rez and not as fast...
i do love the detail and crispness of my new ipad.

Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 20:31:17 GMT

For people considering buying the new Retina Display Macbook Pro:

http://mashable.com/2012/06/13/new-macbook-pro-hard-to-repair/

From this article it seems to me that one should buy it with the highest specs he can afford because it may not be possible to upgrade RAM or the SSD for example.

Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

Erich — Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:49:19 GMT

I got to play with the new Retina mac a little today. While the sample I had did not have ArchiCad on it, no surprise, it did have Aperture with a reasonable sized library, which I can use to bring my current machine to a crawl. That program responded very very quickly and gives me hope for how it will work with ArchiCad. The display is extraordinarily sharp. The pictures I have seen so far do not do it justice.

If only there were a 17" version...

Does any one have a good, well functioning WE for a 15 inch screen?

Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

David Maudlin — Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:10:33 GMT

Erich wrote:
Does any one have a good, well functioning WE for a 15 inch screen?

Here is mine for AC 12 (as per your signature) on a 15" MacBook Pro. The Menus Scheme is based on older AC, but that can easily be replaced. This should give you a quick start.

David

Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

Erich — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:58:30 GMT

David,

I got to the party a bit late it seems. I'm getting a message that the attachment cannot be found. Can you repost? Thanks.

Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

David Maudlin — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:48:35 GMT

Erich wrote:
I got to the party a bit late it seems. I'm getting a message that the attachment cannot be found. Can you repost? Thanks.

Here it is (don't understand why it disappeared).

David

Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

aahatimo — Thu, 16 Aug 2012 21:14:05 GMT

how is the retina mbp working out for folks out there?
now that there are some alternate builds available thinking about upgrading. i still have my old 23" acd to use as 2nd monitor.
maybe some reading glasses are in my future....

Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

Erich — Fri, 17 Aug 2012 02:54:41 GMT

I'm liking mine so far, but I am just upgrading to AC 16 officially tomorrow so I don't have any working time in on the new system yet. But the machine is gorgeous and FAST!

The small screen is a bit of a concern, but I think a bit of WE rearrangement will fix that and I can always connect the 20" monitor that I have lying around if it seems necessary.

Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

PB — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:52:51 GMT

Had my RMBP for a week now: Very, very nice machine....I am happy to recommend it whole heartedly.

AC16 is purring along very well, and I've encountered no problems whatsoever so far....quite the opposite, in fact: AC is now performing as it should, & as I need: Editing in the 3D window is a delight, the mesh I use as a terrain no longer disappears if it undergoes too many SEOs, and opening elevations & sections is no longer an excuse to go make a cup of tea!

The graphics card(s) are driving the retina display and a 30" Apple Cinema Display without any problems at all.

I'm very happy with this new laptop, and strongly recommend to all, and that's without even touching on the gorgeous screen, impeccable build quality, and elegant modern design! (but remember, I am stepping up from a 6 year old 17" MBP ! )

The only fly in the ointment is having to sort out my MagicPrefs settings all over again for the magic mouse......

Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

aahatimo — Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:38:08 GMT

have had mine for 3 weeks, overall really like it.
only major problem i have had was a detached retina 3 days after getting it. really do not think there is any link, just weird coincidence!
has anyone come up with a good setup for magic mouse and magic prefs? still having a hard time getting a similar setup to my old snow leopard / 4 year old mbp functions. also would be interested in seeing different work environment setups. still experimenting there, but my temporary limited vision adds to the challenge.

Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

stefan — Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:28:15 GMT

Overall quite pleased with this laptop, even though it was expensive. Chose to stick with the basic CPU (2,3 Ghz Quad Core i7) and use the saved Euro's for upgrading to 16 Gb RAM. SSD at 256 GB is quite small, but I'll have to learn to use SSD for work and archive what I don't work on more regularly. Not sure if that is really a bad thing.

Lack of ports is an issue: ethernet needs €30 dongle, Firewire too (needed for external sound card), my Cinema Display needed a magsafe2magsafe2 adaptor €10. Having only 2 USB ports is a problem. Luckily the adaptor uses the Thunderbolt port, so after connecting my Display (power - thunderbolt and one USB) and Ethernet (the second thunderbolt), there is only one USB left (to the right of the machine. Tried HDMI on my TV at home. Not receiving sound.

So far, I've had a few crashes in ArchiCAD when using the "looks like 1920x1200" resolution and working in the 3D window. 2D is OK.
Starting submitting all bug reports.

I'm on AC16 hotfix 2 (which I postponed untill we updated our BIM server as well).

Re: Retina display, 15" vs 17" Mbps & archicad

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:50:45 GMT

stefan wrote:
Having only 2 USB ports is a problem. Luckily the adaptor uses the Thunderbolt port, so after connecting my Display (power - thunderbolt and one USB) and Ethernet (the second thunderbolt), there is only one USB left (to the right of the machine).

...and don't forget that the one remaining USB port is now your ONLY USB 3.0 port, as the Cinema display (even current models) is only USB 2.0 So, if you have an external USB 3 disk you need to use that one remaining port if you want full speed... or get a USB 3 port hub, which starts to make the entire 'docked' setup a tangle of wires and devices...

Presumably a revised Cinema display with USB 3 will come out this year... but most of us will still require a USB hub (at least then it can be plugged into the Cinema display and not the laptop) to support all of the USB devices we use and the display only offers a net gain of 2 ports.