topic Re: ArchiCad 17 Performance in Installation & update

ArchiCad 17 Performance

Anonymous — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:38:13 GMT

We've been 'playing' with AC17 for about a week now and the general consensus in the office is that it is more 'clunky' and 'sticky' to work with than AC16. I have migrated a large project from AC16 to 17 and it is noticeably slower and jerky, especially when navigating in 3D.

I thought AC17 was suppose to have performance enhancements?!

Re: ArchiCad 17 Performance

drh64 — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:38:58 GMT

I'm working on a large project now and it is a major improvement over speed from 16. Perhaps you should look at your hardware compatibility/upgrades...

Re: ArchiCad 17 Performance

Anonymous — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:17:59 GMT

Given www.graphisoft.com/archicad/archicad_17/performance/#background_processing these claims, I wasn't expecting 17 to be slower than 16!

Re: ArchiCad 17 Performance

Anonymous — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:23:53 GMT

csparchitects wrote:
I wasn't expecting 17 to be slower than 16!

The common experience seems to be that 17 is faster. It seems snappier to me but I haven't opened one of my monster projects yet.

A Xeon with 12GB and a Quaddro should be good enough. Hard to say what the problem is.

Re: ArchiCad 17 Performance

Martin Jules — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:37:24 GMT

I start migrating a project from AC 16 to 17. My iMac gives me a lot of issues and it seems that I have to change my video card, if possible, so that the computer can run properly ArchiCAD 17. Please advise !

Re: ArchiCad 17 Performance

drh64 — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:22:06 GMT

Martin-
Have you checked to see if there is an update on the video card? You seem to be running a newer iMac so I am surprised if you have problems. Mine is only two months old and it is working great. What other symptoms are you having???
Dan

Re: ArchiCad 17 Performance

jbArch — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:16:02 GMT

I jumped from 15 to 17 and it seems snappier, but 3D with OpenGL is useless... I suspect my older videocard is the issue, but it has served me well in past versions, and appears to met the graphisoft requirements.

Re: ArchiCad 17 Performance

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:40:25 GMT

jbArch wrote:
MacBook Pro C2D 2.33 GHz, 3GB RAM, ATI RadeonX1600

The notebook doesn't meet the minimum requirements of 4 GB RAM:
http://www.graphisoft.com/support/system_requirements/index.html

I'm actually pretty impressed that a laptop from 2006 can run 17 at all.

Re: ArchiCad 17 Performance

jbArch — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:08:06 GMT

Fair enough Karl, but do you really think the RAM is the limitation here?

My understanding is that more RAM simply allows one to run more copies of AC and other apps simultaneously, and most of the time AC won't need 4GB.

Just trying to look at a simple house in OpenGL 3D, nothing too fancy here.

Re: ArchiCad 17 Performance

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:50:41 GMT

Can't really say that it's the RAM - just mentioned it since for whatever reason, they have 4 GB as the minimum requirement vs your 3 GB. Launching a modest project in 17 doesn't consume much memory...

I checked the Apple database out of curiousity - as each version of OS X includes graphics driver updates (and is the only way to get them)... but 10.6.8 supports the same version of OpenGL as current releases, so I assume the 3D performance issue is the really minimal specs (by today's standards) of the X1600.

I wonder if disabling some of the 3D enhancements would help any? E.g., under Work Environment > Advanced Redraw Options, perhaps disable "3D OpenGL Antialiasing"?

Perhaps changing your 3D window settings to disable, or decrease, some of the OpenGL performance settings?

Re: ArchiCad 17 Performance

jbArch — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:09:04 GMT

Thanks Karl, I didn't mean to hijack the thread, but...

Disabling the "Textures" checkbox seems to be the key. This means I give up the ability to see siding, etc. but that's fine for my usual editing in 3D.

Your solution was much cheaper than the new MacBook Airs and Pros I was looking at!

Re: ArchiCad 17 Performance

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 00:23:09 GMT

jbArch wrote:
Your solution was much cheaper than the new MacBook Airs and Pros I was looking at!

Free is good. 🙂 Glad it helped!

Re: ArchiCad 17 Performance

Martin Jules — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 03:25:00 GMT

drh64 wrote:
Martin-
Have you checked to see if there is an update on the video card? You seem to be running a newer iMac so I am surprised if you have problems. Mine is only two months old and it is working great. What other symptoms are you having???
Dan

The following message has been displayed by the software:

OpenGL

ATI Technologies Inc. ATI Radeon HD 5750 OpenGL Engine

Your OpenGL driver does not support the following extension: GL_ARB_depth_clamp

Z buffer: 24 bits

Per Pixel Lighting: ON, 1.20

Stencil buffer: 8 bits

Re: ArchiCad 17 Performance

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 04:13:42 GMT

Martin,

Have you gone to the Apple menu > Software Update... to assure that there are no firmware or other updates for your card from Apple?

If so, then it might be an issue related to your being on 10.6.8?? Don't know. But, Apple includes newer graphics drivers in the newer releases of the OS. (Of course, leaving 10.6.8 would mean leaving Rosetta and your ability to run old PPC software. So, if that is the issue, you'd want to create a complete bootable clone of your OS so that you could reboot into 10.6.8 in the future to run old software including ArchiCAD versions prior to 10.)

Perhaps post in the Hardware forum a request for other Mac people with the 5750 to report if they have the issue you're seeing.

Re: ArchiCad 17 Performance

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 12:34:34 GMT

Matthew wrote:
csparchitects wrote:
I wasn't expecting 17 to be slower than 16!
The common experience seems to be that 17 is faster. It seems snappier to me but I haven't opened one of my monster projects yet.

A Xeon with 12GB and a Quaddro should be good enough. Hard to say what the problem is.

Would you regard this as a monster project?