topic Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ??? in Installation & update

Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

Anonymous — Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:29:51 GMT

Hello, can someone help me find where the hardware acceleration (openGL) for the 2D drawing is - in AC10. In AC9 there is an option for OpenGL optimization not only for 3D but also for 2D , and it works great. In AC10 i cannot find that option under the Work Environment as in AC9.

- Work Environment / 2D Redraw Options / Optimise drawing method for high performance video cards - (the path in AC9)

Is that option not included in AC10 ? I hope it is, because as i test AC10 works 2x slower than AC9.

Thanks.

Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

TomWaltz — Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:34:27 GMT

I think GS discontinued it.

I cannot say that I have seen any performance problems on Windows or Mac PPC. The MacIntels are running slower until the native Intel version is released.

Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

Anonymous — Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:39:44 GMT

There are no performance problems, but as you use that optimization with scenes with many objects , city plans for example, the optimization is great. I loaded the same plans in the neu AC10 and i can say that as i move over the plans it is very slow and absolutely not smooth.

Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

TomWaltz — Sat, 24 Jun 2006 18:00:52 GMT

Designera wrote:
There are no performance problems, but as you use that optimization with scenes with many objects , city plans for example, the optimization is great. I loaded the same plans in the neu AC10 and i can say that as i move over the plans it is very slow and absolutely not smooth.

You don't consider plans moving "very slow and absolutely not smooth" a performance problem?

What kind of machine are you running on?

Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

Dwight — Sat, 24 Jun 2006 18:15:33 GMT

It looks like your only option with a slower graphics card is to use the simplified model or structural outline for navigating.

Since the switch is no longer there, we must assume it is automatic. I haven't noticed any problems in this area.

Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

Anonymous — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:17:16 GMT

Performance problems, that doesn't mean that all must work smooth. Faster PCs - higher performance ... , more lines and objects with a slower PC - low performance - that is not a performance problem though ....

My PC is not the best, but i use AC for more than 3 years , and the version 9 is maybe the best till now. That openGL optimization is not on by default in the new version. I realy don't see where is the point to take it away. Even AutoCad have an 2D optimization, hardware openGL is much faster than sofware emulation, even the slowest video cards help for the overall performance.

But thanks for the info anyway. AC10 is not for me unless they return the logically optimisation.

Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

Dwight — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:25:53 GMT

IS ANYONE ELSE HAVING PROBLEMS LIKE THIS?

Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

TomWaltz — Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:31:46 GMT

You know, it's kind of funny, but I'm actually noticing that the plan window is a lot slower than 9 in a lot of ways, especially when it comes to placing Auto-chasing Zones.

The redraw is noticeably slower than 9 was, even when considering the size of the file I'm in.

Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:33:51 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
You know, it's kind of funny, but I'm actually noticing that the plan window is a lot slower than 9 in a lot of ways, especially when it comes to placing Auto-chasing Zones.

The redraw is noticeably slower than 9 was, even when considering the size of the file I'm in.

I think this may have something to do with the new guidelines, preselection and info floater. I have found that turning these off speeds things up. This was more of a problem with my PowerBook. On the MacBook Pro I hardly notice it.

Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

TomWaltz — Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:42:01 GMT

I have guidelines, tracker, and pre-select off.

Zones especially seem to take forever to place and any time I pan, the elements that were previously offscreen draw VERY slowly..

Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:50:37 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
I have guidelines, tracker, and pre-select off.

Zones especially seem to take forever to place and any time I pan, the elements that were previously offscreen draw VERY slowly..

I have noticed some zone related performance issues as well, but they don't seem much worse than in AC9. I don't have any very large projects to compare with yet. A large one I am working on is still in the assembly stage - unit and building modules under construction. I'll keep my eye on this as the site plans start to get assembled.

Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

Anonymous — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:46:21 GMT

] Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

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IS ANYONE ELSE HAVING PROBLEMS LIKE THIS?

I'm having trouble that might be similar with AC10. I'm running a Sager np4500: AMD 64 3700 processor, Mobility Radeon 9700 128Mb, 2 Gb RAM. 3D seems to be working well, but zooming is really slow and jumpy and doesn't follow the cursor. I didn't have any trouble with AC9.[quote

Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

ArcAngel — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:25:33 GMT

Dwight wrote:
IS ANYONE ELSE HAVING PROBLEMS LIKE THIS?

Yes - ABSOLUTELY

I'm running a dual 3 gig Xeon with 2 gig of RAM and a 256 workstation graphics card. ArchiCAD 10 crawls in both 2D and 3D compared to 9 - so much so that I was doing a simple 2d feasibility planning study and gave up in 10 and exported it to 9. It may be all the guide lines, pet pallates etc. - but surely a small simple project, on what I consider to be a fairly top end spec system, should show no appreciable slow down.

On the 3D side any projects I've opened have been slower to rebuild, redraw, navigate anything - everything about this release appears to be over-complicated at the expense of performance!

- bring back 4.5

Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:22:10 GMT

I am also having problems with the 2D and 3D display in Archicad 10. I am working on a 800,000 sq. ft. project on a 100 acre site and I have no problems with the display or performance in 9. I have checked the ignore hardware acceleration in the 3d view window in 10. The project I am working on was created in 9 and is still accessing the 9 library.

Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:07:47 GMT

Dwight wrote:
IS ANYONE ELSE HAVING PROBLEMS LIKE THIS?

Yes, so much so that I am about to buy a new workstation graphics card. As that will be PCIe I thought it would be a good opportunity to get a complete new system, with an Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 processor with 4MB cache.

ArchiCAD had already got poor graphics performance, but if there is no more 2D hardware acceleration in AC10 I am disappointed. Maybe I'll have to overclock the processor and get water cooling to get anything like the slickness you get with 3ds max or AutoCAD (the only good thing about AutoCAD).

Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

Dwight — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:15:47 GMT

Hardware incompatibilities aside, layer visibility control DOES go a long way to smooth out infinitely complex projects.....

Re: Hardware Acceleration in 2D with AC10 ???

Anonymous — Sun, 27 Aug 2006 12:33:05 GMT

Hello,

I have the same problem.
My computer is : PIV C 2.4 go / 2 go ram / video card 256 mo

I want to buy a core 2 duo and a quadro fx.
I hope it will be ok !!