topic Re: AC12 lib update, some CW disappeared in Installation & update

AC12 lib update, some CW disappeared

Erika Epstein — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:16:00 GMT

I installed the library update for AC12 US archicad notified me was available. I several buildings that are round in section which I made with the Curtain wall tool. The bottom halves were made with copies rotated in 3D to form the bottom half.
When I reopened a file I had closed prior to installing the library update, all the curtain walls I had rotated copies had disappeared!
I just recreated them, but had to redo all the panel customization.

I checked another file that was a version of this project and the same thing had happened: all the bottom halfs were missing.

Re: AC12 US lib update, some CW disappeared

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:34:23 GMT

That sounds pretty scary, Erika! Thanks for posting - I'm going to zip up my current library folder before installing the update so that it is easier to move back in case the new bugs are worse than the fixes.

Looks like a lot of things fixed in the US lib release notes:
http://www.graphisoft.com/support/archicad/downloads/LibReleaseNotes/AC12-USA-LibHotfix2.html

but I don't see everything that i hoped to see (no big surprise)... I have at least a dozen old bugs not in the list of fixes, so I hope to find that they are fixed and just not shown...

Cheers,
Karl

Re: AC12 US lib update, some CW disappeared

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:54:05 GMT

Karl wrote:
but I don't see everything that i hoped to see (no big surprise)... I have at least a dozen old bugs not in the list of fixes, so I hope to find that they are fixed and just not shown...

Nope. The killer door/window bugs that I (and others) reported have not been fixed. It is just unacceptable that nearly a year after 12 has been released, that I cannot get a model or documents out of 12 using the standard library and utilizing the new features (complex profiled elements and partial structure display) in a way that should have maximized my productivity, but instead cut it to a crawl.

It's as if someone sold you a hybrid car, touting the fuel economy - and then you discover that the electric motor overheats after a few minutes and you need to run only on the conventional engine anyway. And, then you find that their warranty service is just a phone operator who takes messages. I usually don't rant, but my patience has completely run out, waiting months and months for this library update which still does not fix things.

Grrrr,
Karl

Re: AC12 lib update, some CW disappeared

Jefferson — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:44:48 GMT

Karl I couldn't agree more with you about this failure of "stock" parts to accomplish even typical goals of my-our design process..............are you recommending that I not install the library update? [I was SO dismayed at the failure of the 12 windows that I don't use any of them! Relegated to the migration 11 library.]

I have also been watching the posts about Ralph Wessel's Modular Joinery tool with tremendous envy! Has anyone state-side been able to acquire it yet? We have to wonder what it's going to take for Graphisoft to make this failure up to us, some consolation until they can rectify the 12 library is in order!! A free distribution of Ralph's tool might go a long ways[ ], as well as reward what appears to be some rather stellar ingenuity!

Re: AC12 lib update, some CW disappeared

Rick Thompson — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:20:31 GMT

I find it interesting that most "fixes" are related to windows and doors. This seems like the norm with most releases.. over and over. Another reason I am glad I made the decision versions ago (around 6.5 or so) to not use GS windows and doors. It is ashamed though, but has proven to be the best decision. I wonder if this is typical with other CAD software.. Revit, Microstation.. etc. Scary, and hardly good for business (GS and end user).

Re: AC12 lib update, some CW disappeared

Jefferson — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:21:57 GMT

Rick I forget which window & door library-tool you went with, CadImage Door & Window Builder or Real Doors & Windows. Perhaps you could elaborate why you chose it, and if it meets yuor needs..........It was a real shock for me to migrate to 12 from 10, my typical two version jump, with high expectations and find the windows and doors had in effect gotten worse, WAY worse!

Re: AC12 lib update, some CW disappeared

Anonymous — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:04:47 GMT

I don't feel obligated to update anymore unless
maybe a rebate is offered in some form.
The cumulative world wide loss of wages must be staggering.
As if we don't have enough problems as it is!

Jefferson, I like your idea of Ralph's Joinery tool as consolation
for not providing upgrade as "promised" this late in the 12 game.
Time to pony up Graphisoft.

Re: AC12 lib update, some CW disappeared

Rick Thompson — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:13:17 GMT

Jefferson wrote:
Rick I forget which window & door library-tool you went with, CadImage Door & Window Builder or Real Doors & Windows.

Hey Jeff... Way back when I started using.. Real Doors and Windows... it was because I needed to have windows with 5/4x6 casing. You could not do this with AC. Over the years AC has implemented these things, but I am frankly scared to use AC's. I am also uncomfortable with add-ons, so it's a pickle. I end up reusing plans over and over for years. Many of them were "born" in the early 1990's, before my CAD days, and I still sell them each and every year. They are constantly updated to new AC/features. So, the issue of future potential problems is very real for me. Either way it is just one of those risk you take. So far Neil (the guy who makes Real Doors and Windows) has stayed on top of releases and I only had issue once when he did a major rewrite. To his credit he responds to email and works through the issues of compatibility very quickly.. even during beta testing he welcomes feedback... (or so it seems )

I am very satisfied with his library.

Re: AC12 lib update, some CW disappeared

Erika Epstein — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 23:30:17 GMT

I bought smart parts years ago for many of the same reasons as Rick, they did what AC did not. I also like that they are library parts and not an add-on. (not that there aren't some great add-ons).

The regression of AC12s doors and windows is outrageous: these building components are intrinsic to all of our work.

Re: AC12 lib update, some CW disappeared

Ralph Wessel — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:58:26 GMT

Jefferson wrote:
I have also been watching the posts about Ralph Wessel's Modular Joinery tool with tremendous envy! Has anyone state-side been able to acquire it yet? We have to wonder what it's going to take for Graphisoft to make this failure up to us, some consolation until they can rectify the 12 library is in order!! A free distribution of Ralph's tool might go a long ways[ ], as well as reward what appears to be some rather stellar ingenuity!

The irony here is that the tool is already free for distributors to give to subscribers. GS UK have taken the initiative and commissioned me to develop objects frequently requested by UK users, so the object belongs to them. They have offered it free to other distributors, but it hasn't reached many end users...

I'm hoping it does reach a wide audience eventually. It embodies a number of ideas for making objects quicker & easier to use, more flexible, and uncluttered - concepts that I hope will find their way into more GS objects.

Re: AC12 lib update, some CW disappeared

Eduardo Rolon — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:18:47 GMT

I did ask my distributor and pointed him to the previous thread about this and based on the reply he has no idea how to proceed with this. Who to contact, etc…

Re: AC12 lib update, some CW disappeared

Stephen Dolbee — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:08:17 GMT

I just found the kitchen cabinets are messed up in the latest "fix". When I select a cabinet which was orginally set for 2' deep, it now appears to be 2'-9" deep and cannot be edited. This is NOT good. What's going on? How can I go back to the old library?

Re: AC12 lib update, some CW disappeared

Jefferson — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:58:12 GMT

Rick wrote:

So far Neil (the guy who makes Real Doors and Windows) has stayed on top of releases and I only had issue once when he did a major rewrite.

And yet GS can't work it out. I understand it's complicated, yet there are multiple add-on options which make their living do this. I WISH some of the folks who have seemingly mastered the areas GS cannot could be subcontracted to get these basic components correct and included in the purchase-upgrade pricing of our software tool set. Call me a whiner, but I expect the most core library parts to function, even if in a limited capacity. It's way past time for this to be corrected.........

Rick thanks for the info........I'll be contacting Neil to ask about a demo. It appears from other posts regarding this library that they appear and list in your door and window schedules like native GS doors + windows do, do I have that correct?

Stephan wrote:

I just found the kitchen cabinets are messed up in the latest "fix". When I select a cabinet which was originally set for 2' deep, it now appears to be 2'-9" deep and cannot be edited. This is NOT good. What's going on? How can I go back to the old library?

Stephan I haven't yet loaded the new library, [AND DON'T BELIEVE I WILL!], so I have zipped copy of it I can send you, unless you've got access to an FTP site.........it's almost 30MB.

Ralph wrote:

The irony here is that the tool is already free for distributors to give to subscribers.........They have offered it free to other distributors, but it hasn't reached many end users...

Amazing Ralph, actually make that mind-numbing, given the circumstances this tool, remains unavailable to the rest of us! Perhaps this is the karmic payback for the lower purchase price of AC state-side. Ralph I did make an attempt, after I inquired with you about your M-J tool, to purchase a copy from GS-UK but received no reply...........do you think that is out of the question, that they might be willing to sell it outright? [Quite a market developing here!] My experience is when no one is working for you try yourself........

Fact is for all the frustration, followed by venting-ranting anyone might do, very few of us will-would actually abandon our investment in AC. But, when does GS step up and show some consolation for hanging in there? I am completely serious when I suggested the Modular Joinery tool should be offered as a reward for that patience! Ralph's Objective tool is the singular add-on I count on for the otherwise unachievable. Not to mention it's ability to manipulate other library parts. It is simply an amazing piece of work so I can only imagine, helplessly, the possibilities he has brought to windows and doors

Re: AC12 lib update, some CW disappeared

Thomas Holm — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 20:11:00 GMT

Jefferson wrote:
I have also been watching the posts about Ralph Wessel's Modular Joinery tool with tremendous envy! Has anyone state-side been able to acquire it yet? We have to wonder what it's going to take for Graphisoft to make this failure up to us, some consolation until they can rectify the 12 library is in order!! A free distribution of Ralph's tool might go a long ways[ ], as well as reward what appears to be some rather stellar ingenuity!

Jefferson, since GS UK has made Ralph Wessel's Modular Joinery tool freely available to all GS distributors for distribution to their subscriber customers, what you have to do is lean on GS US!

I had to lean on GS Sweden to get it. Seems the distributors and resellers generally are not aware of it, or how useful it might be.

I've added some more info on it there since I don't want to hijack this thread.

Re: AC12 lib update, some CW disappeared

Jefferson — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 21:08:00 GMT

I have uploaded the previous library for anyone else unlucky enough to be having issues with the newer version. [this is the windows version!]It's there for seven days and is just the .LCF, nothing else..........

https://download.yousendit.com/TTZrNHA0YXllaFIzZUE9PQ

Re: AC12 lib update, some CW disappeared

Erika Epstein — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:24:26 GMT

Jefferson wrote:
. It appears from other posts regarding this library that they appear and list in your door and window schedules like native GS doors + windows do, do I have that correct?

Yes, they schedule just fine, and in some cases better as ganged windows can count as one. Sometimes they may look a little differently in plan if you use a mix of archicad and smart parts, but as they are different types of doors or windows this hasn't been a problem see here.

Thanks for posting the download!

Re: AC12 lib update, some CW disappeared

Erika Epstein — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:43:58 GMT

As an update to the curtain wall problem about which I started this post...
The project is with 2 others who hadn't updated their Archicads. When I saved modules from the latest build 2523, all curtain walls created in this latest build (2523 on pc) disappeared when placed in the previous build (2420 on pc). I happened to test and confirm this on my pc where I had a copy of the previous build of AC12. The only curtain walls showing in the 3 mod files were ones created in this previous build.
Also missing from the mod files were the roof surfacing added in the latest build.

Since my original post Graphisoft tech supports in both Hungary and the US have been in touch and I just sent off the mod files to add to their collection. Thanks for your help!

I had not experienced this backwards incompatibility within a version of archicad before on solo machines. I've seen this in teamwork but we are NOT teamworked; we are in 3 different offices.

Now to put the previous build back on my mac.
Sigh.