topic Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23 in Installation & update

macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

Rex Maximilian — Wed, 31 Jan 2024 12:43:47 GMT

Apologies if this has been asked and answered somewhere else. I did do a search for the keyword "Catalina" but didn't see anything on this topic.

Question: Since ArchiCAD 23 was released on the same day as macOS Catalina [edit: I see now Catalina will be released in October], (and was three-months behind standard release date, maybe benefitting by utilizing developer copies of Catalina), my question is:

"Will ArchiCAD 23 be compatible with macOS Catalina?"

...or at least, more so than usual? There is usually the dreaded do or die warning to not update the macOS generally until December or so. @LaszloNagy any word?

Thanks!

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

Eduardo Rolon — Fri, 20 Sep 2019 12:29:05 GMT

Dire warnings were posted here

https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/knowledgebase/87527/

We advise against using ARCHICAD on macOS 10.15 Catalina for production until the compatibility updates are released by GRAPHISOFT.

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

Rex Maximilian — Fri, 20 Sep 2019 14:19:02 GMT

Thanks! You would hope a side benefit of having an extra three months to tweak the code would've allowed GS to work with the developer beta of Catalina for a more stable release of ArchiCAD 23. No other software I have (all of the Adobe Suite with heavy processing going on) is so handcuffed by OS updates. It gets frustrating.

I remember when High Sierra came out, it wasn't until late-December that it was "safe." And then, just by doing that update, BIMx never rendered with global illumination again. I even brought it up to tech support and while they acknowledged it (only with some machines and some video cards) said they knew of no way to fix it. Luckily my new iMac started rendering again properly. But now I fear the same may happen again with a Catalina update.

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

PB — Mon, 07 Oct 2019 17:55:50 GMT

Heads up: MacOS Catalina is now available for download...

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

Eduardo Rolon — Mon, 07 Oct 2019 18:01:16 GMT

Do not install…

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

DGSketcher — Mon, 07 Oct 2019 18:36:22 GMT

Eduardo, is that GS official guidance?

I must admit I'm usually pretty quick to install the latest OS but Apple seem to be plagued with the curse of 13 just now. Think I will wait for things to settle down at Apple's end and GS confirm compatibility.

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

Eduardo Rolon — Mon, 07 Oct 2019 18:41:06 GMT

Usually GS indicates when it is safe and AFAIK they have not said anything yet.
Mostly is that all I have read indicates to wait.
Usually I install first day and my plan is to wait for the first .1 update.

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

matthewjj — Wed, 09 Oct 2019 12:34:02 GMT

Appears we now have the proceed with caution signal from Graphisoft. I interpret this as don’t migrate your whole office all at once but it’s safe to start testing it out.

Link posted above now says this:

Apple released the new macOS 10.15 Catalina on October 7, 2019.

macOS 10.15 Catalina
We advise you to proceed with caution when upgrading to macOS 10.15 Catalina. It is highly recommended to read the macOS and ARCHICAD article to learn more about this process and see our recommendations.

GRAPHISOFT plans to maintain the compatibility of ARCHICAD 22, 23, and BIMcloud with updates.

ARCHICAD 21 and older will not be made compatible with this future macOS.

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Oct 2019 13:57:05 GMT

Wow
I am handcuffed with this new macOS Catalina upgrade. My Mac upgraded automatically and now all my version 21 and 22 keep crashing.

What do I do?

Roland

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

Karl Ottenstein — Wed, 09 Oct 2019 15:26:41 GMT

rwhitley wrote:
Wow
I am handcuffed with this new macOS Catalina upgrade. My Mac upgraded automatically and now all my version 21 and 22 keep crashing.

What do I do?

Restore Mojave from your Time Machine backup? (And turn off automatic updates.)

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

mverbeek — Thu, 10 Oct 2019 21:49:09 GMT

The Graphisoft help page says:

ARCHICAD 23 FULL: is code-signed and notarized. The new version provides compatibility with macOS 10.15 Catalina.

I'm a bit confused: is this "new version" an upcoming version or the current 3003 build?

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 11 Oct 2019 02:02:09 GMT

mverbeek wrote:
The Graphisoft help page says:

ARCHICAD 23 FULL: is code-signed and notarized. The new version provides compatibility with macOS 10.15 Catalina.

Not sure what page you're referring to... can you post the link? All of the main / official pages do NOT claim Catalina compatibility.

For example, System Requirements for 23 here:
https://www.graphisoft.com/support/system_requirements/AC23/?_ga=2.187311276.568735159.1570758940-1232179466.1527696442
mentions only Mojoave and High Sierra (10.14 and 10.13) for the initial release (Build 3003).

Graphisoft's Catalina page - mentioned earlier in this thread - pretty much advises waiting a while - for both Apple updates to Catalina and updates to AC 23:
https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/knowledgebase/87527/

https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/knowledgebase/96887/

This is always as it has been ... it is never wise to update to Apple's newest OS until at least the 0.1 or 0.2 update... as well as updates from Graphisoft.

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

Barry Kelly — Fri, 11 Oct 2019 03:23:53 GMT

Karl wrote:

mverbeek wrote:
The Graphisoft help page says:

ARCHICAD 23 FULL: is code-signed and notarized. The new version provides compatibility with macOS 10.15 Catalina.

Not sure what page you're referring to... can you post the link? All of the main / official pages do NOT claim Catalina compatibility.

It is right on the Catalina page when you expand the Archicad 23 compatibility section.

https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/knowledgebase/87527/

No wonder it is all so confusing.

Barry.

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

Barry Kelly — Fri, 11 Oct 2019 03:36:10 GMT

Just got an e-mail from Central Innovation (Archicad distributor in Australia) clearly stating "At this early stage, we would not recommend anyone to upgrade to Catalina on production machines."

It goes on to say you can upgrade at your own risk but it recommends ...

clients on business-critical projects are advised to keep working on macOS 10.14 for the time being

Barry.

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

Anonymous — Fri, 11 Oct 2019 06:40:30 GMT

I advise not too. My Mac upgraded and now I have issues when editing text. Archicad will just shut down. Im currently using Archicad 21. I was about to pay for the upgrade to 23 as they told me that this will fix the issue and then I got a call back from them telling me that the issue will still happen.

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

mverbeek — Fri, 11 Oct 2019 09:47:07 GMT

Barry wrote:

Karl wrote:

mverbeek wrote:
The Graphisoft help page says:

ARCHICAD 23 FULL: is code-signed and notarized. The new version provides compatibility with macOS 10.15 Catalina.

Not sure what page you're referring to... can you post the link? All of the main / official pages do NOT claim Catalina compatibility.

It is right on the Catalina page when you expand the Archicad 23 compatibility section.

https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/knowledgebase/87527/

No wonder it is all so confusing.

Barry.

Thanks Barry, that is indeed the page I was referring to. It's clear v22 is compatible with the recent hotfix. v23 is still unclear due to the way Graphisoft communicates this. It would be nice if they just say what build of v22 en v23 is compatible with Catalina. As long as it's not clear I won't upgrade.

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

Ghaleb Khadra — Fri, 11 Oct 2019 14:53:07 GMT

rwhitley wrote:
Wow
I am handcuffed with this new macOS Catalina upgrade. My Mac upgraded automatically and now all my version 21 and 22 keep crashing.

What do I do?

Roland

Hi Roland,

I am very sorry to hear about the issues you have been experiencing. In your case, I would suggest to either rollback to Mojave or Update your ARCHICAD 22 to the 6025 build (this is a mac-only update where compatibility was addressed). Any other previous builds of ARCHICAD 22 are not compatible with Catalina and so ARCHICAD cannot run reliably.

I hope I was able to help somehow!

I wish you a fantastic day!

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

Ghaleb Khadra — Fri, 11 Oct 2019 14:57:23 GMT

Barry wrote:

Karl wrote:

mverbeek wrote:
The Graphisoft help page says:

ARCHICAD 23 FULL: is code-signed and notarized. The new version provides compatibility with macOS 10.15 Catalina.

Not sure what page you're referring to... can you post the link? All of the main / official pages do NOT claim Catalina compatibility.

It is right on the Catalina page when you expand the Archicad 23 compatibility section.

https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/knowledgebase/87527/

No wonder it is all so confusing.

Barry.

Hello Barry,

Please allow me to apologize for the confusion. Thank you for pointing this out and for your feedback!
I have adjusted the note accordingly and now it states clearly which Builds are compatible.

I wish you a great day!

Kind regards,

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

Ghaleb Khadra — Fri, 11 Oct 2019 15:09:02 GMT

PDG wrote:
I advise not too. My Mac upgraded and now I have issues when editing text. Archicad will just shut down. Im currently using Archicad 21. I was about to pay for the upgrade to 23 as they told me that this will fix the issue and then I got a call back from them telling me that the issue will still happen.

Greetings,

I'm surprised that you have been told ARCHICAD 23 is not compatible. We released ARCHICAD 23 to be compatible with macOS 10.15 Catalina. During the Beta releases, we were constantly testing the Beta versions and made ARCHICAD 23 compatible with Catalina.

We still, nonetheless, advise you to proceed with caution as this is a new Operating System which implements many changes compared to how previous OS functioned. Unidentified issues might still surface.
Our official recommendation is to wait 6 months until things settle down.

I hope I could bring some clarity to this.
Kind regards,

Re: macOS Catalina and ArchiCAD 23

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 19:38:06 GMT

Ghaleb wrote:

PDG wrote:
I advise not too. My Mac upgraded and now I have issues when editing text. Archicad will just shut down. Im currently using Archicad 21. I was about to pay for the upgrade to 23 as they told me that this will fix the issue and then I got a call back from them telling me that the issue will still happen.
Greetings,

I'm surprised that you have been told ARCHICAD 23 is not compatible. We released ARCHICAD 23 to be compatible with macOS 10.15 Catalina. During the Beta releases, we were constantly testing the Beta versions and made ARCHICAD 23 compatible with Catalina.

We still, nonetheless, advise you to proceed with caution as this is a new Operating System which implements many changes compared to how previous OS functioned. Unidentified issues might still surface.
Our official recommendation is to wait 6 months until things settle down.

I hope I could bring some clarity to this.
Kind regards,

Archicad 23 works fine, Archicad 22 with 6025 update works fine on Catalina. Only problem is with this tekst editing. Problem is also on Archicad 22 but without 6025 update.

Overall Archicad 21 works pretty well on Catalina, but has only one BUG and it's all about editing tekst.

When You finish editing tekst, and edit window closes the whole program CHRASHES !!! and that's even when Archicad have full disk access

Please @graphisoft make it work, please !!!