topic Re: 3D Model View Frozen in Installation & update

3D Model View Frozen

Rene Pahlavan — Sun, 02 Feb 2020 19:01:52 GMT

Strange problem has appeared on one of my projects where navigation in the 3D view is not working at all. I can open the 3D view, but zoom, orbit and pan are not working (the pan hand and orbit symbol replace the pointer when activated, but no navigation possible). Zoom extents does not work either - the only thing I can do is select elements that are already in view. Have tried several times re-opening the file with repair function, and it tells me some data is now changed or missing, but the problem is not going away. Rather than copying the whole model to a new project and having to start from scratch with views, layouts and layer settings, I wonder if anyone else has experienced this, and if there is a workaround. All other projects are still working fine, and I have tried switching out the mouse - no effect.
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Re: 3D Model View Frozen

Lingwisyer — Mon, 03 Feb 2020 01:39:07 GMT

With zoom extents, are you close and going out or far and going in? Might there be some geometry that is extremely far from origin / rest of the project?

Re: 3D Model View Frozen

Barry Kelly — Mon, 03 Feb 2020 04:58:30 GMT

Try turning all layers off and then turning them on one by one and/or place a marquee around a small area and see if that works in 3D.
That may help you to narrow down what is causing the problem.

Barry.

Re: 3D Model View Frozen

Rene Pahlavan — Mon, 03 Feb 2020 17:19:28 GMT

The work-around at the moment is changing to axonometry view option - then the 3d view is normal and zoom extents shows the whole model (there is no geometry far from origin). Changing back to perspective view returns the problem - not able to navigate or zoom at all.

Changing layer combinations has no effect and marqueeing around a small section also leads to an empty screen in 3d view perspective (it works in axonometry view).

Re: 3D Model View Frozen

Barry Kelly — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 00:38:50 GMT

I am still banking that you have something very far from the origin.
It may not be in the x/y plane - it could be in z (height)

I had a file just yesterday that had a slab 100's of kilometres above the plan.
The marquee would work unless it contained the area of that high slab.
Axonometric view works best because it simply rotates the model around the centre of what is there, perspective rotates in a different manner and if objects are far apart it can seem as if it is not working.

Turn all layers on, show all in 3D (axonometric) and then select all.
Zoom out and see if you have selection hotspots far apart.

Barry.

Re: 3D Model View Frozen

Rene Pahlavan — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 00:52:13 GMT

Thanks Barry, but no dice.

I turned on all layers and selected all (Cmd-A) and zoomed out as far as I could to see anything else - no unusual hotspots far apart. Zoom extents brings me back to my model (all selected) - but switching back to perspective view delivers the same issue - frozen screen - no navigation or zooming possible (although, as. I mentioned earlier, the cursor arrow does change to pan hand symbol and orbit tool symbol when engaging these commands - but they don't work).

Re: 3D Model View Frozen

Barry Kelly — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 06:19:15 GMT

It was worth a shot.

I think you may need to contact your local Archicad support team and send them the file to have a look at.

Barry.

Re: 3D Model View Frozen

Minh Nguyen — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 08:08:45 GMT

Rene wrote:
Strange problem has appeared on one of my projects where navigation in the 3D view is not working at all. I can open the 3D view, but zoom, orbit and pan are not working (the pan hand and orbit symbol replace the pointer when activated, but no navigation possible). Zoom extents does not work either - the only thing I can do is select elements that are already in view. Have tried several times re-opening the file with repair function, and it tells me some data is now changed or missing, but the problem is not going away. Rather than copying the whole model to a new project and having to start from scratch with views, layouts and layer settings, I wonder if anyone else has experienced this, and if there is a workaround. All other projects are still working fine, and I have tried switching out the mouse - no effect.
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Hi Rene,

Thank you very much for reporting the issue here and I am very sorry for the experience!

I have searched our database, but we have never had such a report before. If you haven't contacted the local support yet, maybe it is worth a try if you could forward the problematic file to us in PLA format for a closer look! The file will be essential to move the investigation forward!

I can send you a private link in which you can drop your file if you need. Looking forward to hearing from you soon!

Best regards,
Minh

Re: 3D Model View Frozen

Rene Pahlavan — Thu, 27 Feb 2020 07:02:28 GMT

Sure thing Minh. Let me know how to share the project file and I will get it to you.

Re: 3D Model View Frozen

Minh Nguyen — Thu, 27 Feb 2020 09:51:05 GMT

Rene wrote:
Sure thing Minh. Let me know how to share the project file and I will get it to you.

Hi Rene,

The link has been sent to you via Private Message. Let me know if you have any issue with uploading the file.

Thank you very much!

Best regards,
Minh

Re: 3D Model View Frozen

Minh Nguyen — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 13:13:29 GMT

Hi All,

I would like to inform the result of the investigation, for those who will be interested in this issue:

There is an empty complex profile used in the stair, which causes an issue similar to far from origin project. If you encounter similar behavior (zoom to Fit in Window shows nothing in 3D, although nothing is far from origin), maybe it's worth to have a look at the Profile Manager.

I hope this will help you with the issue!

Best regards,
Minh

Re: 3D Model View Frozen

Rene Pahlavan — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 16:20:58 GMT

Thanks Minh! I would never have been able to deduce such a cause.

Re: 3D Model View Frozen

Minh Nguyen — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 13:41:59 GMT

Hi Rene,

I’m glad that the issue is solved!

Have a nice day!

Best regards,
Minh.