topic Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel? in Installation & update

Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

maberit — Wed, 20 Jul 2022 15:49:56 GMT

I have just downloaded ArchCAD 26 from the website for some pre-deployment testing.

The Installer I have downloaded is called Archicad-26-UKI-3001-1.1-INTEL.dmg. Does this mean that there will be separate versions for Intel and Apple Silicon going forward? This would be really inconvenient from a deployment perspective. Our process is already too complicated with the installbuilder.sh --mode unattended (which doesn't always work btw)and the additional scripts we run to add templates and add-ons with the right permissions etc etc etc...

I was under the impression that Graphisoft was working on a Universal Binary for Archicad but this would appear to indicate a fork in development? Perhaps I'm reading too much into it???

I know we can use Rosetta as a work around but Rosetta is a stopgap while Apple moves away from Intels chips and not a viable long term solution. I think I'm just looking for a bit of clarity from Graphisoft on the development path here.

Apologies if there's a thread already addressing this, I couldn't find it.

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

Karl Ottenstein — Wed, 17 Aug 2022 00:41:44 GMT

It has been stated a dozen times in various topics here... there is no ARM version of 26 "yet", so there is no Universal binary.

A "Preview" version of 26 for ARM is supposed to be released within the next week or so according to the AC 26 announcement event. The release version of 26 for Apple ARM is supposed to be available in the 4th quarter of the year.

EDIT/correction. A Universal Binary release is not planned. See:

https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Setup-License-forum/Archicad-26-Separate-versions-for-Apple-Silicon-and-Intel/m-p/351707/highlight/true#M33135

I would HOPE that the Preview version (which is slightly better than a beta and most likely will be ARM-only) will be updated multiple times as any issues are reported to Graphisoft. They have not given any public information on the process yet... but perhaps they will when the Preview is made available "soon".

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

Boldizsar Vermes — Mon, 01 Aug 2022 21:30:32 GMT

Karl said it right, Archicad 26 ARM Tech Preview has been released last week. Here you can download it and do the pre-deployment testing you mentioned: https://community.Graphisoft.com/t5/Graphisoft-Insights/Archicad-26-for-Apple-Silicon-Tech-Preview-launch/ba-p/351285

Graphisoft does not plan to release Universal Binaries because of, among others, the following reasons:

A combined package would be almost double in size. Most of the users don't need both versions, they can download just the amount of data that they need for the installation.
Updates can be released separately to the Intel and ARM versions. This can mean faster response time for ARM specific issues.
In the case of a Universal Binary Archicad, all add-ons could be Universal Binaries too. All 3rd party add-on developers should release Universal Binaries, but we don't want to see a non-upgraded add-on just because of the lack of ability to create a Universal Binary installer.

Could you please tell us a bit more about the deployment conveniences you are or will be facing due to the lack of a Universal Binary Archicad? By learning about them, Graphisoft could have the opportunity to target your pains in the future.

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

Karl Ottenstein — Wed, 17 Aug 2022 00:39:17 GMT

@Boldizsar Vermes wrote:

Graphisoft does not plan to release Universal Binaries because of, among others, the following reasons:

A combined package would be almost double in size. Most of the users don't need both versions, they can download just the amount of data that they need for the installation.

Happy to see this, as my internet download speed is ridiculously slow at 7 mbps and a package over 3gb would be painfully slow to download. (Somehow, I missed this post a few weeks ago when it was made.)

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

Lee Hankins — Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:04:17 GMT

If updates are planned separately for Intel and ARM will that cause issues with BIMcloud files when one user is on a build of intel

and another is on a different build of arm?

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

Barry Kelly — Fri, 19 Aug 2022 00:52:20 GMT

No more than if one user is Mac and another Windows?

Aren't all of the BIMCloud files cross-platform compatible?

I don't use BIMCloud, but I thought they were so long as everyone is using the same version (and possibly build?).

Barry.

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

Lee Hankins — Fri, 19 Aug 2022 05:52:47 GMT

I think it’s build number that’s key and it reads as though the Intel and ARM versions may have different builds.

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

Barry Kelly — Fri, 19 Aug 2022 08:23:47 GMT

If the build number is important, then I am sure when the real ARM version is released later this year, it will be the same build as the Mac (Intel) and Windows versions.

Remember the ARM version out at the moment is just a preview of the final release.

Barry.

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

Boldizsar Vermes — Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:12:31 GMT

Good question, @Lee Hankins! Working on BIMcloud does not require the exact same build number of all the clients, there is a compatibility range. In the case of releasing separate updates for Intel and ARM versions, we will ensure releasing them withing this range.

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

Lee Hankins — Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:14:38 GMT

@Boldizsar Vermes That's great, thank you for the clarification.

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

Lee Hankins — Thu, 25 Aug 2022 08:18:31 GMT

@Boldizsar Vermes we normally get an error if two different people with different builds try to work on the same BIMcloud project once the user with the higher build has sent and saved changes. Will this cause issues if one user is silicon based and the other intel or has that been resolved by the compatibility range?

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

Boldizsar Vermes — Mon, 29 Aug 2022 09:28:38 GMT

@Lee Hankins, teamworking with Intel and ARM based builds shouldn't be a problem in the future, as working together with Windows and Mac builds has been smooth too. As I wrote above:

In the case of releasing separate updates for Intel and ARM versions, we will ensure releasing them within this range.

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

Lee Hankins — Mon, 29 Aug 2022 09:40:59 GMT

That’s brilliant. Thanks for the clarity. Looking forward to making the most of the new M processor machines we have.

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 24 Nov 2022 17:14:46 GMT

The full release versions of Archicad 26 for Apple Silicone (ARM - M1/M2/etc) has begun with the INT version being released today. See the release schedule in today's announcement:

https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Graphisoft-Insights/Archicad-26-Apple-silicon-version-available/ba-p/363113

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

David Shorter — Mon, 05 Dec 2022 04:27:56 GMT

seems that the INTEL INT build for download is still at 3001 which seems strange as the AUS INTEL build is at 4019

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

Barry Kelly — Mon, 05 Dec 2022 05:30:27 GMT

The initial build is 3001 but there is an update for INT 4019 (INTEL).

Barry.

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

Barry Kelly — Mon, 05 Dec 2022 05:53:04 GMT

I think it is strange we can download the INT updates (as well as the AUS ones in our case).

But if I go to 'Products', I can see the AUS program for download, but when I go to INT - the default setting) there is nothing to download.

And the Mac ARM version is not there at all.

Just Mac INTEL and Windows versions.

Barry.

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

David Shorter — Mon, 05 Dec 2022 06:37:41 GMT

but when you go here

it downloads the INTEL 3001 build not the latest version.

Re: Archicad 26 Separate versions for Apple Silicon and Intel?

Barry Kelly — Mon, 05 Dec 2022 07:58:45 GMT

Hmm, that is not a page you can get to from the Graphisoft website unless you have or know the link - don't know why they don't link to this.

It is the URL I use if I need to get any version - INT, USA, AUS, FRA, etc.

Hover the mouse over those buttons and it says one thing but actually downloads another.

INTEL Mac (shows nothing when I hover of button) and Windows (shows build 4013) are actually build 3001 when you download them, and then you have to upgrade.

ARM Mac shows built 4013 but downloads build 4024.

As far as I know the main program download has always been build 30xx and then you upgrade.

The arm version is higher as the never was a 30xx build for public release - no upgrades for this just yet.

Barry.