topic Re: Ventura in Installation & update

Ventura

James Murray — Wed, 19 Oct 2022 18:43:16 GMT

Ventura is out on Monday, so here we go again:

https://community.Graphisoft.com/t5/Setup-License-articles/macOS-and-Archicad/ta-p/303978

Graphisoft's macOS support remains self-indulgently cringe. No, it's not normal for app devs to demand a six-month delay in using the current OS. The dev previews have been available for 4 months.

People 1) buy new computers, 2) want new OS features, 3) have other software which may require a current OS, 4) update by accident, 5) use windows PCs without this nonsense.

Apple Silicon has been out for two years.

Kindly update this advice in serious consideration of your users' needs.

Re: Ventura

ethanbodnar — Wed, 19 Oct 2022 18:48:51 GMT

Classic! Just came to the forum to see if there was any change in their approach this year. It's rather absurd. It's very hard to avoid updating by accident.

Re: Ventura

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 15:45:16 GMT

Well said as always, James. Most of us use tons of different software; in my case, every other piece of software is ready every fall for the new macOS except Archicad. I've never understood how everyone else can be part of the MacOS beta process and successfully release their compatible versions and yet Graphisoft doesn't have a stable release for the new macOS until 3 to 6 months later. 🙄

(Granted, in the last few years, Apple's first release of the new macOS is buggy that it makes no sense to upgrade until at least their first 0.1 update.)

Personally, I'm only just now getting ready to upgrade from Big Sur to Monterey because of putting it off due to all of the issues with Archicad and Monterey last winter/spring. But, as you say, anyone buying a new Mac will get Ventura... and will be scr*w*d if Archicad is not ready.

Re: Ventura

Lee Hankins — Wed, 19 Oct 2022 20:39:09 GMT

It is worrying me as we are currently looking to replace 50% of our Macs in the next 6 months with new MacMini M1’s or iMacs. They will likely come with Ventura ore-installed. I’ve always said I’d be more than happy to test Archicad with the latest os.

Re: Ventura

Lee Hankins — Wed, 19 Oct 2022 20:42:15 GMT

I will be installing Ventura as a VM so I can install Archicad and see what happens. It’ll be useful to get hold of a final build of the silicon version of Archicad to test in Ventura.

Re: Ventura

Brad Elliott — Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:10:11 GMT

And it is doubly bad now. I held off upgrading to an M1 Macbook Pro because why bother when Archicad doesn't run native on it. And now it looks like the M2 will be introduced shortly and Archicad still hasn't released a native version.

I feel silly hoping that they are going to release the silicon native version concurrently with Ventura when I actually expect them to say they are delaying the update to improve compatibility.

Re: Ventura

Romans — Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:54:14 GMT

There is already a 2nd public preview version of AC 26 INT ARM available from Graphisoft.
So everyone interested is free to test/use it (with limitations: no Teamwork, no add-ons).

By the way: AC 25 and 26 run very nice and smoothly and are not slower (than native Intel) in Rosetta mode on M1 Macs.

Re: Ventura

Steve Campbell — Thu, 20 Oct 2022 22:48:21 GMT

There is? My AC 26 INT for Apple Silicon is build 3549 says there are no updates available when checking for new versions. That's the build number of the original preview release AFAIK.

Re: Ventura

Lee Hankins — Fri, 21 Oct 2022 06:05:10 GMT

It won’t update itself automatically. You have to remove the current installation and install the new updated replacement one. The Tech Previews don’t work with automatic updates unfortunately. There is a link in the forum somewhere for the new one.

Re: Ventura

Lee Hankins — Fri, 21 Oct 2022 06:07:12 GMT

Here’s the link

https://dl.Graphisoft.com/AC/26/INT/Archicad-26-D1-INT-3550-1.1-ARM.dmg

Re: Ventura

Steve Campbell — Fri, 21 Oct 2022 16:37:17 GMT

Thanks for the explanation Lee

Re: Ventura

Steve Campbell — Fri, 21 Oct 2022 17:05:15 GMT

How Vectorworks communicates about MacOS upgrades for comparison:

https://forum.vectorworks.net/index.php?/articles.html/articles/tech-bulletins/apple-macos-13-ventura-compatibility-r867/

And Vectorworks have had a version running natively on Apple Silicon since Fall 2021.

Re: Ventura

Lee Hankins — Sun, 23 Oct 2022 07:29:24 GMT

I’ve installed Ventura, installed Archicad 26 with no issues that I have noticed. I have also opened it up and had a play around and haven’t found any issue so far. I haven’t looked at Teamwork or pushed the performance in any way but initial use is positive. Obviously I can’t suggest everyone upgrade especially on live fee generating work.

Re: Ventura

InstantGlueck — Mon, 24 Oct 2022 16:16:27 GMT

Do you mean, you have installed the RC version of Ventura?

Re: Ventura

timdelheyeian — Mon, 24 Oct 2022 16:38:03 GMT

Thank you James for pointing this out!

I would add to your list that those of us who are serious users are also looking for performance from our hardware and software, and Graphisoft will have you know that you should use a contemporary and powerful setup to run their apps smoothly. Therefore, getting folks to hold off on hardware and software upgrades is completely counterintuitive. While we can agree that Apple may change specs with new releases (vs. pre-releases) I feel that a 6-month delay for safe OS updates is just unreasonable, and the now 2-1/2-year delay for an AppleSilicon version flat out unacceptable. I have shared this view with GS here in the U.S. and even find that their staff is sympathetic. For a software company that prides itself on listening to its user base, and was on the Mac long before it came to Windows, I sure hope that we see a change as the current attitude towards macOS and hardware upgrades flat out stinks.

Re: Ventura

Steve Campbell — Mon, 24 Oct 2022 17:22:32 GMT

Graphisoft is also clearly relying on people ignoring their advice and running on AC26 on Ventura to identify any unknown issues. I don't know about other firms, but we really don't have the option to do free testing for Graphisoft on non-fee generating work. Our only option would be to move billable work to AC26 on Ventura.

Re: Ventura

Lee Hankins — Mon, 24 Oct 2022 21:04:03 GMT

I’ve upgraded my working Mac to Ventura so watch this space. I’ll post any potential issues I find.

Re: Ventura

timdelheyeian — Tue, 25 Oct 2022 18:13:21 GMT

And let's remind ourselves that they are both coming from the same company: Nemetschek!

Re: Ventura

Lee Hankins — Tue, 25 Oct 2022 21:56:14 GMT

I’ve installed the official release.

Re: Ventura

InstantGlueck — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 08:36:33 GMT

Thanks!

I did it yesterday. I have a minor issue with the numeric input within the Tracker and Dimensions Dialog. Comma is sometimes lost

All in all is Ok.