topic Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8 in Installation & update

Ballooning File size in AC 8

Anonymous — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 22:02:08 GMT

I started with a file of approx 6 MB in size. After 2 days of editing (adding some walls and roofs) I was surprised to find my file had ballooned to 148 MB! Today, I deleted a lot of stuff in the drawing, including an entire 20,000 sf duplicate model of the project and my file is now 170 MB! What is causing this? and is there any fix?
I have a deadline and can barely work on the drawing it has become so bogged down.

I am using Mac OSX with the latest update in place.

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

Anonymous — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 22:32:04 GMT

HEllo,

I think we had this problem recently, you could try the following:

Go to: Options>preferences>2d redraw options and un-tick the 'save navigator preview data with project files'

Roolio

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

Anonymous — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 22:58:14 GMT

Roolio wrote:
Go to: Options>preferences>2d redraw options and un-tick the 'save navigator preview data with project files'

That will almost certainly resolve your problem

woodster

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Mar 2005 03:19:06 GMT

Sorry, but I had seen that earlier in other posts and I keep that option always unticked. I also saw that copy/pasting into a new document might work, but the thought of doing that and losing all my quickviews really depresses me.... a lot. Is there another way?

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Mar 2005 03:43:45 GMT

Since my last post, I have copy and pasted everything to a new document. It's down to a svelte 10 MB, now. So, Is there any way to export the quickviews or layer settings?

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

__archiben — Wed, 02 Mar 2005 05:05:07 GMT

what version of archiCAD?

are there corner windows in there? do you have the IFC add-on active?

~/archiben

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

Erika Epstein — Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:22:44 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
what version of archiCAD?

are there corner windows in there?

~/archiben

Interesting. Is using corner windows known to swell file sizes? I was trying to figure out what is making a file quadruple or more; there are many items we recently added that made it seem plausible to me, but we do have about 12 corner windows.

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

__archiben — Wed, 02 Mar 2005 10:33:27 GMT

Erika wrote:
Interesting. Is using corner windows known to swell file sizes? I was trying to figure out what is making a file quadruple or more; there are many items we recently added that made it seem plausible to me, but we do have about 12 corner windows.

there was an old bug that i understood got fixed with corner window duplification in the database - particularly with teamwork files where every send and receive would double the number of those corner windows. i seem to recall it being a conflict with the IFC add-on, but can't be sure.

anyway, as i said, i thought it got fixed. it was just a shot in the dark after hearing that 'save navigator preview data' was not to blame in this case . . .

~/archiben

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:04:22 GMT

Version 8.1 v2 (2284)

I've had the balooning problem one other time and don't remember how I resolved it aside from not using any 3D hatching. On elevations and sections, I ended up laying a 2d hatching over the drawings which also made them render MUCH faster.

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:28:33 GMT

AARRRRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!! After spending my day redoing all my quickviews and actually editing down the number of elements in the drawing, it ballooned back up to 70 MB when I looked at it at the end of the day.

Vectorworks is looking better and better.

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 00:14:23 GMT

kegroup wrote:
Today, I deleted a lot of stuff in the drawing, including an entire 20,000 sf duplicate model of the project and my file is now 170 MB!

Lets go back to the beginning here... what does an entire 20,000 sf duplicate model of the project mean?

Something strange is going on in your drawing. There really have not been instances of file sizes growing since the Navigator Preview bug. Are you inadvertently duplicating things? Do you have lots of layers or layer sets? custom fills?custom line types?

Have you called tech support? I really would like to know when this gets figured out.

woodster

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

__archiben — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 00:28:15 GMT

are you using teamwork at all on this file?

~/archiben

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 03:40:46 GMT

It's a solo project, although the last time I had ballooning it was a teamworks.

Back to the beginning... I had copied the model and dragged it off to one side (it's a 20K sf, 1 story building) to test some roof revisions. When I didn't need it anymore, I deleted it. It was an intentional duplication. I've also run the Check Duplicates Add-on and found only 2 duplicates of objects that were not intended.

I am using only materials/hatches out of the box and have even gone through and deleted the most complex of the paving and flooring hatches from the attribute list, just in case. My local salesman thinks I could have a corrupt GDL object in there, but that wouldn't explain it's slimming down and then rapid weight gain would it? If there were a bad object, wouldn't its effects show up the first time I saved the file?

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:51:13 GMT

kegroup wrote:
... My local salesman thinks I could have a corrupt GDL object in there, but that wouldn't explain it's slimming down and then rapid weight gain would it? If there were a bad object, wouldn't its effects show up the first time I saved the file?

Are you using any 3rd party libraries or have you created some of your own library parts?...just curious what could possibly be the "bad" object

How about Add-ons...are you using any special add-ons that may be creating additional overhead?

The "simple" model you have described seems to be straightforward enough so its very curious behavior that you are experiencing...Do you, by any chance, have alot of section/elevation markers defined in the file? These markers tend to quickly inflate file size when used to liberally.

I noticed you copy/pasted the model into a new file and it lowered the file size. if the model has "ballooned" back up again try doing a "save as" and have the model overwrite itself...I can't explain why, but in my experience this has ocassionally reduced the file sizes for me.

Dan K

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:00:31 GMT

Here's the latest. I have purged all but the basic fills, I have loaded only the default 8.1 library with no 3rd party objects, I have only 10 section cuts, I have purged all unused layers, there are no cameras.

I did a "save as" and it went from 70.7 MB to 70.5 MB. There's gotta be something else. I'm trying tech support.

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:23:22 GMT

kegroup wrote:
...There's gotta be something else. I'm trying tech support.

please fill us all in when/if you narrow down the problem with tech support.

Dan K

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:13:31 GMT

As of 3pm CST I have not yet heard from tech support, but I have a clue now. When I opened one of my exterior elevations and saved the document, it grew from 70 to 109MB. It looks like I can't use what should be one of the more useful features of Archicad which is mapping hatches onto the building in 3D. I'm punting and just laying them on in 2D in the section window and changing all my materials to "whitewash."

There's $2000 in time flushed down the toilet. Think the Hungarians will pay that invoice?

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:28:20 GMT

kegroup wrote:
...but I have a clue now. When I opened one of my exterior elevations and saved the document, it grew from 70 to 109MB. It looks like I can't use what should be one of the more useful features of Archicad which is mapping hatches onto the building in 3D. I'm punting and just laying them on in 2D in the section window and changing all my materials to "whitewash."...

If you have an immediate deadline for your work maybe "punting" with this 2D work is a temporary solution. I think, however, you have something else going on that needs to be solved.

I use hatches in all of my elevation views and don't experience the same problem you are having - hopefully graphisoft will be able to help you isolate the problem.

Please keep us informed

Dan K

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

__archiben — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 06:57:49 GMT

kegroup wrote:
When I opened one of my exterior elevations and saved the document, it grew from 70 to 109MB. It looks like I can't use what should be one of the more useful features of Archicad which is mapping hatches onto the building in 3D.

mate that does actually sound just like the whole 'save navigator preview data' thing which would generate hundreds of lines in the preview for all of your fills . . . are you absolutely doubly sure it's turned off?

additionally, try this:
open project
send and receive (if using TW)
save
check file size
repeat several times

... and see what happens

~/archiben

Re: Ballooning File size in AC 8

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:17:15 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
mate that does actually sound just like the whole 'save navigator preview data' thing which would generate hundreds of lines in the preview for all of your fills . . . are you absolutely doubly sure it's turned off?

I agree... are you sure that the Work Environment that has the preview toggled off is the active Work Environment?

woodster