topic Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro??? in Installation & update

Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

Anonymous — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:05:22 GMT

Hello, I am looking at switching to a Mac from a PC! Looking to get the new Mac Book pro 17". Has anyone out there got any tips or advice?
Would like to learn more about Apple, pros and cons. if any???
Any comments appreciated...

Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

Anonymous — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:00:52 GMT

I've all but made my mind up to make the switch from PC to a Macbook Pro 17".

But I'm very interested in what others may have to say about this topic and appologises for latching onto your post Stepan, but I was about to post a similar post and you have beaten me to it.

A question I would like answering is, I know that Mac's can now run windows etc. so which is the best way to run Archicad 10 on a Mac? either with my existing windows based version of 10 through Boot Camp or should I get hold of the Mac version of 10. In which case would this have any effect on my libraries etc. which will still be saved on a PC server.

Is there any performance difference if Archicad is run via Boot Camp?

The Macbook Pro 17" looks and performs great, but I must admit that my trusty Rock Quadra 64 (although it now needs a new battery and looks a bit long in the tooth) has been an excellent machine and anyone who is a little cautious about making the switch to a Mac, in my opinion would do well to check out thier latest machines.

Thanks,

Mark.

Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

Dwight — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:49:06 GMT

Stepan wrote:
Would like to learn more about Apple, pros and cons. if any???
Any comments appreciated...

This might seem petty, but as a Mac owner forever, i resent being blamed when an occasional secretary chik or bozo clerk with outdated software can't open one of my files and says, in response to discovering i use a mac and they a PC attempts to blame the problem on the mac instead of their ineptitude.

ie: when they can't open the attachment or see the embedded image.

Puts me in a snit.

Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

Ralph Wessel — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:35:29 GMT

Mark wrote:
I know that Mac's can now run windows etc. so which is the best way to run Archicad 10 on a Mac? either with my existing windows based version of 10 through Boot Camp or should I get hold of the Mac version of 10. In which case would this have any effect on my libraries etc. which will still be saved on a PC server.
Is there any performance difference if Archicad is run via Boot Camp

Get the native Mac version - in particular, get the Mactel version for an Intel based Mac and don't use the PPC version The native Mactel version is very fast.

Plus, running Windows less (or not at all) eliminates a whole raft of security problems. While it is possible that a Mac-based virus/worm may appear "in the wild" in future, at present it simply isn't an issue.

Unfortunately I need to use Windows regularly, but I use Parallels rather than BootCamp so I can run both Mac and Win simultaneously. Parallels has been fantastic and ArchiCAD runs well under Windows too. The latest version of Parallels claims to utilise 3D hardware acceleration, but I've found this to be a bit unreliable at present (very quick when it does work).

Having Windows side-by-side with the Mac is also beneficial in the situation Dwight mentioned ("it isn't working because you didn't use Windows"). I simply switch to Windows and open the 'problem' file.

Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

Rakela Raul — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:19:16 GMT

i just bought a small mac laptop to try it out and love speed, interface, etc......i would like to know the difference between bootcamp and parallel .....i read parallel doesnt handle 3d graphics ? or not as good as bootcamp ??
sad there is no piranesi for mac yet...i will be watching

edit: also, there were several ac10 issues for mac users? and not for wdws users?

Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

Dwight — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:23:30 GMT

Mac version one step behind PC version:

http://www.informatix.co.uk/piranesi/downloads/mac/demo.shtml

Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

Rakela Raul — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:27:22 GMT

thanku Dwight for the link,
and BTW, you were the one who precipitated my mac buy !! durn happy so far

Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

Dwight — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:33:49 GMT

Swell.

It was a delight to finally meet you during the Miami area seminar.

Your white hat is in the mail.

Best wishes.

Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

Anonymous — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:41:04 GMT

Mark wrote:
In which case would this have any effect on my libraries etc. which will still be saved on a PC server.

No, your libraries will be fine. The only thing that might change are the addition of some tiny (1kb max) mac files that PC users will see. But it's nothing to worry about.

The only problems you might encounter with adding a mac to a PC network is usually the IT department who either don't know, or don't want to know how to do it (not that it's hard.)

Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

Anonymous — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 00:31:54 GMT

Rakela wrote:
i just bought a small mac laptop to try it out and love speed, interface, etc......i would like to know the difference between bootcamp and parallel .....i read parallel doesnt handle 3d graphics ? or not as good as bootcamp ??
sad there is no piranesi for mac yet...i will be watching

edit: also, there were several ac10 issues for mac users? and not for wdws users?

Bootcamp still wins for performance and compatibilty (for one thing it doesn't have to share the RAM with another OS.

Parallels is great for convenience (if you need to run both the reboot time is tedious).

Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

Erich — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:37:52 GMT

The rumor is that when we finally get Leopard (OSX 10.5) the reboot to get from one OS to the other will be a bit easier with a type of fast switching. I think this is Apple's way to try to compete with the virtualization options.

Still it is a bit unnatural to run Windoze on my Mac.

Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

TomWaltz — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:12:59 GMT

Erich wrote:
The rumor is that when we finally get Leopard (OSX 10.5) the reboot to get from one OS to the other will be a bit easier with a type of fast switching. I think this is Apple's way to try to compete with the virtualization options.

Still it is a bit unnatural to run Windoze on my Mac.

This was listed on the Apple site for a while, then removed, so I would noot hold my breath for it.

Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

__archiben — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:07:52 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
This was listed on the Apple site for a while, then removed, so I would noot hold my breath for it.

yeah, but mr jobs demo'ed it at the developer conference recently. and mr jobs hates looking like a fool so i'm guessing that whether or not they're having problems with it, it WILL get fixed and released . . .

Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

Anonymous — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:54:39 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
TomWaltz wrote:
This was listed on the Apple site for a while, then removed, so I would noot hold my breath for it.
yeah, but mr jobs demo'ed it at the developer conference recently. and mr jobs hates looking like a fool so i'm guessing that whether or not they're having problems with it, it WILL get fixed and released . . .

In the keynote he stated that Bootcamp will be built into Leopard and would remain the best choice for compatibility and performance, but will still require a reboot so Parallels and VMware will still beat it on convenience. The only real change is being built in rather than a beta download.

Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

__archiben — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:04:09 GMT

Matthew wrote:
In the keynote he stated that Bootcamp will be built into Leopard and would remain the best choice for compatibility and performance, but will still require a reboot so Parallels and VMware will still beat it on convenience. The only real change is being built in rather than a beta download.

i seem to recall him saying that it actually puts the system you are using to sleep so that you can simply switch back to wake it. not like fast user switching, but far more convenient than parallels since you get native performance combined with fast 'startup' . . . maybe i was dreaming again?

ben

Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

Anonymous — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:31:07 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
Matthew wrote:
In the keynote he stated that Bootcamp will be built into Leopard and would remain the best choice for compatibility and performance, but will still require a reboot so Parallels and VMware will still beat it on convenience. The only real change is being built in rather than a beta download.
i seem to recall him saying that it actually puts the system you are using to sleep so that you can simply switch back to wake it. not like fast user switching, but far more convenient than parallels since you get native performance combined with fast 'startup' . . . maybe i was dreaming again?

ben

I don't remember that bit, maybe I fell asleep. Would be nice though.

Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

Dwight — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:38:01 GMT

Matthew wrote:
…maybe I fell asleep. Would be nice though.

Steve can certainly put me to sleep when he is treading water between new, revolutionary machine releases.

Re: Switching to Apple Macbook Pro???

Rakela Raul — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:28:13 GMT

thanku very much matthew