topic Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees... in Modeling

This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

ares997 — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:34:32 GMT

We have a very short window in time and space, and now we have more than enough ammunition to take down goliath. If you think about it...David brought down the giant with technology. It wasn't because he was necessarily smaller than the giant, but more inventive, better long reaching technology, an eye for understanding the means and methods for getting the job done in his current market. That is what Graphisoft has gave us yesterday, though it might not be in our hot little hands. We the Archicad Marines need to start making some frakin' noise out their.

This is the point at which we can sit in our cubicles and say, umm I'm not really sure if it is what I think it is...when it is more than you could have ever dream of.

Ironically enough Autodesk yesterday started to buckle, as well as said that they would be offering inventor as a free download, "no kidding."

Come on guys there should be at least a blog each from all you loyalist who have been here since the beginning. This is our house now go out and take the gorilla by the balls to take him out.

Even with AC12 and AC11 we were still way ahead of the curve and have always been, now let's start sending info to WIRED.COM, ENGADET.COM , USA TODAY, CNN, ETC. Graphisoft has put a lot into this release. Testing it throughly, making sure it works with Snow Leopard (which is why they delayed the release until yesterday, considering Snow Leopard was on Friday so that gives GS 30+ days to get it ready for the MAC kids out there.)

The Graphisoft Team has not only change the rules about what can be done in a yearly release cycle, they have change what will the future be for us.

Graphisoft's "biggest not-so-secret weapon is its staff of developers [who] focus enormous talent on a niche, which Westerners can't match."
Jonathan B. Levine, Business Week, USA

"It's passion, and a good deal of business sense, that helped turn Graphisoft into a global player."
The Wall Street Journal

We are a team based all over the world and need to act like one more now then ever.

This has happened a few times before
1. The cpu and drafting in a machine
2. Going 3d
3. Going Parametric + GDL
4. Going BIM
5. Going in with the DELTA SERVER

If you can imagine what this could mean even outside this industry it is far reaching.

Get out there and make some noise.

Please don't hesitate. We need to start scaring the investors of AUTODESK today and now we have our $5k keys ringing in their ears.

We have ECO designer, we have VBE, we have MEP, our company, our team has brought us the weapons within this year that dominates all other products out there.

Pull your fingers out of your ears and start emailing, witting blogs, witting your congressmen, telling your friends, telling your enemies that we are coming for them one seat at a time.

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:51:05 GMT

I really hate to burst your bubble... but really---!

TW2 sounds like something Revit could truly use: the idea of heavy BIM data being able to be reconciled (and managed, and protected) by a server app that safeguards the data. Revit's programmers have also considered the benefits of such a move, but it hasn't happened yet.

The problem ArchiCAD's expansion has is that switching is hard. People stay aligned in their software company's lineup. AutoCAD users are likely to roll into Revit rather than ArchiCAD, even if its networking is more reliable than what you have in 2010.

I do hope AC13's features make it a stronger alternative to the Autodesk monopoly, but if you think AC13 is going to being Autodesk to its knees, you might need a rabies shot 😛

Regardless -- AC13 looks like a very strong release that addresses many of the weaknesses of BIM data management. And I haven't even looked at the rest of the new features! Just hope they never force a Ribbon on your interface in a future release

Happy release day, y'all!

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:17:13 GMT

Wes Macaulay - AUGI Revit Architecture Wishlist Manager if u where GS Wishlist manager i should def.say to u to JUMP FROM 13th floor man
(on head ofc) !

i wish that GS have wishlist manager

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:24:54 GMT

Hi Wes
Yes it's a good day for us.
But it's gonna be like the mac/pc thing, one day your up and one day your down.
And around and around we go. (Kinda like the wheels on the bus..)
Your right.
It takea a lot of force to move a heavy solid in place rock.
By the way you wrote:"a Ribbon on your interface"
Excuse my ignorance, but what is that about?
lec

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

owen — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:51:42 GMT

Just remember that Autodesk still has a firm grip on the engineering side of things (along with Bentley). ArchiCAD's presence in that sector is almost non-existent.

Engineering is where the money and power really is and for that reason Autodesk is never going to be taken down by developments in an Architecture-specific product like ArchiCAD.

Besides .. competition is good. If Autodesk wasn't there do you really think ArchiCAD would be better for it?

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

Petros Ioannou — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:55:38 GMT

Oh, by the way... guys:

Archicad is a BIM application and Graphisoft a software company, not a religion group or a football club.

Calm down - relax!

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

owen — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:01:38 GMT

Petros wrote:
Oh, by the way... guys:

Archicad is .. not a religion group

Ha .. i suppose next you are going to tell us there is no Santa and the Easter Bunny is dead.

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:06:17 GMT

By the way you wrote:"a Ribbon on your interface"
Excuse my ignorance, but what is that about?

He's referring to the new GUI for Revit 2010 which has been severely criticized by users who were content with the original, albeit dated GUI.

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

Petros Ioannou — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:27:00 GMT

Santade$k
He brings no presents...

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:27:34 GMT

Thanks Dyefrog
lec

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

owen — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:29:18 GMT

Petros wrote:
Santade$k
He brings no presents...

or when he does, they are the wrong presents

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

ares997 — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:20:56 GMT

Petros wrote:
Oh, by the way... guys:

Archicad is a BIM application and Graphisoft a software company, not a religion group or a football club.

Calm down - relax!

No it's much more than either of those things for some....

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:03:59 GMT

Revit has had the same interface since it was first released in 2000. Someone in Autodesk decided it was a good idea if all their programs -- AutoCAD, Inventor, 3DS Max and Revit -- all had the same interface. And that interface is the Ribbon. So you've got a GUI designed for a word processor forced onto high-end CAD software, and it just doesn't work. Most users are hating it. And we didn't ask for it: it was just shoved down our collective throats. Some users have really had the carpet pulled out from under them as a result. I've even pleaded with the grand poobah himself (Carl Bass) to drop the ribbon, but the only response we're getting is that the Ribbon is here to stay. Is the customer not always right? Not at Autodesk.

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:27:50 GMT

Someone on the Architalk said something to the effect that 13 would be "game changing".
Sorry can't remember who, but it starting to look like that's going to be true.
I'm stoked and we haven't even heard it all yet!
lec

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:11:38 GMT

"If you think about it...David brought down the giant with technology. It wasn't because he was necessarily smaller than the giant, but more inventive, better long reaching technology, an eye for understanding the means and methods for getting the job done in his current market."

David killed Goliath because David had God's blessing. Not because of technology,or inventiveness. We dont.
2 samuel 7:45
45 In turn David said to the Phi·lis´tine: “You are coming to me with a sword and with a spear and with a javelin, but I am coming to you with the name of Jehovah of armies, the God of the battle lines of Israel, whom you have taunted. 46 This day Jehovah will surrender you into my hand, and I shall certainly strike you down and remove your head off you; and I shall certainly give the carcasses of the camp of the Phi·lis´tines this day to the fowls of the heavens and to the wild beasts of the earth; and people of all the earth will know that there exists a God belonging to Israel. 47 And all this congregation will know that neither with sword nor with spear does Jehovah save, because to Jehovah belongs the battle, and he must give YOU men into our hand.”

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

Richard Morrison — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:04:27 GMT

jocontreras wrote:
David killed Goliath because David had God's blessing. Not because of technology,or inventiveness. We dont.

And how do you know we don't? Are you suggesting you think God prefers Revit?

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

Aaron Bourgoin — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:16:09 GMT

God is in the Details.

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:29:12 GMT

Praise the Lard brother.

(for those of you who don't know,
that's a KPIG thing).
http://www.kpig.com/
And Sun eve between 9-11pm might just be good for you Archicad sole:--)))
lec

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:32:20 GMT

be very careful when throwing stones

...TW2 may sound clever but it hasn't hit the broad GS user base yet, so the jury is still out regarding its success

....even if TW is everything we are lead to believe there is a whole lot more to what we demand of our software than just TW.....and a whole lot of areas of pain remaining in ArchiCAD...
....a crippled old version of lightworks
....no relationships
....no decent modelling tools
....to name but a few
(and no, I don't think pointing at add-ons addresses the issue)

Re: This is our chance...to bring Autodesk to their knees...

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:55:18 GMT

I just wanted to point out that the stoty of David is not the proper example to ilustrate the point..... Maybe the finnish vs the russians in pre world war II or the Zulus againt the British.
Any way if we could have Gods blessing, our software should have been perfect for everybody, Something impossible, not just with Archicad but with any other software ..