topic Re: Columns Vs. Walls in Modeling

Columns Vs. Walls

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2023 16:19:29 GMT

Helo again.
Is this possible. I found options on walls vs beams and columns vs. beams.
On the picture you can see the corner concreate columns but when rendered they are not shown clearly. Any way to get the right effect, so that the columns are visible, bouth, in shaded and rendered display?

Walls Vs. beams. If I have eg. reinforced concreate beam above the door/window opening can I place it without triming the whole wall structure(picture).
Many thanxs!

Re: Columns Vs. Walls

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:08:44 GMT

Colums problem

Re: Columns Vs. Walls

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:10:45 GMT

Beam problem

Re: Columns Vs. Walls

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:19:31 GMT

You have your columns, walls and beams all sharing the same physical space. Can that happen in reality? No. Model as in reality, and the drawings and images will be correct.

Karl

Re: Columns Vs. Walls

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:16:08 GMT

Has crosed my mind.
Thouht there was a workaround.

Re: Columns Vs. Walls

Anonymous — Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:42:27 GMT

Try to change the layer "Intersection Group Number" in the Layer Settings dialog
Check this also archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=9383

Re: Columns Vs. Walls

Anonymous — Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:49:02 GMT

What you want should be possible in principle, but can be difficult in practice. Beams will automatically penetrate walls, but they have the unfortunate property of subtracting an infinite tube (thus the voids beyond the ends of the beams.

There is a similar problem with columns. They will automatically be voided where they intersect with walls. This creates problems when the columns are taller than the walls (a common condition).

These problems arise mostly from historical (legacy) issues in the development of ArchiCAD which should be ironed out in due course. In the meantime what you want to do can be accomplished with SEOs, or simply modeled without overlapping as Karl said.

Re: Columns Vs. Walls

Anonymous — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:52:41 GMT

Karl sometime you need software to do it the easy way for you and not build it as you would in reality.

When you have a priority intersection number for each entity, it should "logicaly" do the job. Well sometimes it does, sometimes it does not.

This goes for calcualtion issues too.
You dont expect a user to do seo bookeeping (which is impossible in the current version) in something so fundamental. In a big building that would mean an enormous amount of time. Not to think what editing may cause to the whole project.

I also have the same problem in Sections.
I have a wall, and a slab that cuts the wall.
I expect the wall to be cut, and to see only the slab hatch. But i see both!.
Ofcourse i could cut the wall at the intersection point and make it 2 walls, but this generates unnecessary bookeeping. Every change done at the wall or slab, would result editing in the other 2 newly created parts. Not very smart.

So the solution is there (priority intersection numbers).
Archicad has just to respect those
And not just beams and collumns and walls. Add slabs too.

Re: Columns Vs. Walls

Anonymous — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:56:47 GMT

Oreopoulos agree with you 100%. It gets very complicated in the end.

Archicad has just to respect those

Maybe something to keep in mind for the Version 10.

Karl sometime you need software to do it the easy way for you and not build it as you would in reality.

Yeap, think you dont model your buildning brick by brick.

Re: Columns Vs. Walls

Anonymous — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:10:51 GMT

dada wrote:
Maybe something to keep in mind for the Version 10.

Maybe add 2-3 versions.