topic Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window in Modeling

AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

Anonymous — Tue, 23 May 2023 14:34:40 GMT

Working in 16,

Quick Selection tool (magnet icon) doesn't work in 3d window like version 15, 14, 13, 12,...

Space bar activates it in 2d.

What am I missing?

Clicking on a surface in 3d to select an object, rather than just the edge or node. How is it done in 16?

Thanks.

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

ryancjw — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 02:31:24 GMT

Having the same problem, used to be able to space/shift to select in 3D.
love to know how to do in 16.

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

Katalin Takacs — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:39:00 GMT

You can change between the normal (dark arrow) or the subelement (white arrow) selection method for the Arrow tool in ArchiCAD 16.
Read more: http://www.graphisoft.com/ftp/publishing/ac16_help_INT/Files/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/wwhelp.htm#href=03_Virtual%20Building.06.284.html

Please check your settings, probably it is the source of the problem.

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:29:02 GMT

Thanks for the reply, and what you posted is interesting, but applies to morphs which I'm not using (yet).

This is what I can't seem to get to work:
"Surface snap" in 3d.

http://www.graphisoft.com/ftp/publishing/ac16_help_INT/Files/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/wwhelp.htm#href=02_Interaction.05.093.html#1139081

Edges yes. Corners yes. Surfaces no. Not in 3d window. Magnet is greyed out.

Another suggestion?

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

NCornia — Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:30:58 GMT

Nathan,

If you are using an imported Work Environment that was created in a previous version try switching to the Standard Profile 16. Options / Work Environment / Work Environment / Work Environment Profiles. Does the quick selection option return to normal? If so then you should re-build your work environment for 16.

If not then do a New & Reset All. Go to File / New and hold the alt key and you will see that the New file command changes to read "New & Reset All". This will open a new blank file and clear out some preferences that may have gotten out of whack. Then re-open one of your projects and see if the trouble is gone.

If not then perform a full Preferences Cleaning to clear out a larger segment of cache files that may be corrupted somewhere: http://archicadwiki.com/PreferencesCleaning

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

Anonymous — Tue, 04 Sep 2012 08:19:59 GMT

I'm experiencing exactly the same problem with any AC15 project I import into AC16. The selection magnet in the 3D window is greyed out and cannot be activated. Once you select an element by clicking on an edge node it activates, but thats of no use.

If I open a new project in 16, the magnet is a functioning button as it should be.

I have tried "new and reset" as well as the procedure to clear stored preferences but to no avail.

Any further advice would be appreciate, else importing from 15 is going to be a frustrating experience.

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

NCornia — Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:00:35 GMT

Kirby et al, Try adding the AC16 Library to the 15 project. Let me know if this does the trick.

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 06:07:28 GMT

Hi Nicolas,

I applied the Archicad 16 Library and went through the consolidation of libraries. I also made sure that the default AC16 Profiles etc are loaded in the work environment.

No change to the button status.

Regards

Kirby

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

Eric Bobrow — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:10:38 GMT

I received an email from ArchiCAD user Aya Mahmoud Almaddah mentioning that he (?) was experiencing the same problem, and wanted me to check out this discussion.

I opened up an ArchiCAD 15 file in ArchiCAD 16 and the selection arrow is working normally - I can press down the space bar to change the QuickSelect magnet status. So there does NOT appear to be a general issue affecting all files opened from ArchiCAD 15 in version 16, although it seems like Kirby and Aya are both experiencing similar issues.

My only suggestion for troubleshooting at this point is to try opening up other files from ArchiCAD 15 to see if there is something special in the project file that is causing it. It could be useful to create a simple file in AC15 based on the standard Graphisoft template and save it, then open this simple AC15 file in AC16 to see if the problem occurs in that file.

Eric

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

Anonymous — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:31:09 GMT

Hello Eric

As suggested I have tried opening several of our office projects (V15) files in AC16, all result in a greyed out selection magnet.

To verify where the problem lies I have as suggested created a simple V15 file, with the standard AC15 Profiles and settings and then opened this file in AC16. This fixes the problem.

Therefore something in our "custom" office settings is causing the problem, I'm not sure what though. My next step will be to apply the Default AC15 settings to a problem project, save and close, then open it in AC16. If this addresses the problem, I will manually modify the AC16 profile to match our custom settings and then apply this to future imported projects.

Strange that this sort of issue never manifested itself with all the previous migrations we have done between successive AC versions from 6 to 15!

I will report back shortly.

Kind regards

Kirby

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

Anonymous — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:44:57 GMT

Unfortunately opening an existing AC15 file and applying the Standard AC15 profile and defaults to the project, then saving and importing into AC16 does not resolve the issue. The problem seems to be embedded elsewhere...

Further suggestions welcome.

Cheers

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

Anonymous — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:40:34 GMT

No amount of changes seem to help.

Tried reinstalling AC16 without importing settings from AC15 to see if that helped. But no difference.

Also ran the consolidation of libraries to see if that helped, no difference.

I have tried turning 3D anti aliasing on and off to no avail.

Pressing the space bar tries to change the state of the "magnet" button but it remains greyed out. It only becomes live once you select an object, which is completely useless.

I've opened the "problem" project on another machine running AC16 in the office and the problem remains.

Other office projects randomly seem to either work or have the same problem. Truly bizarre.

I cannot for the life of me find a setting in the AC15 project that would cause the object selection to malfunction once its imported into 16? It makes absolutely no sense.

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

Eric Bobrow — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:24:24 GMT

Kirby -
I'm going to ask you something that may be totally obvious, but is worth checking. The selection arrow in AC16 now has two states, the traditional one that selects elements, and a new one that is used to select morph sub-elements. The traditional state shows the cursor arrow in black, the new option has the arrow in white. Please check to make sure that the arrow is set to the traditional black (whole element selection) since the magnet may not be functional for the sub-element state.
Eric

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

Katalin Takacs — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:36:47 GMT

Thank you all for the remarks.
In ArchiCAD 16 the Quick Selection is greyed out in 3D Wireframe mode by design. Changing between the 3D wireframe and shading modes might cause the issue you observed.

As a workaround, please try the followings:
1. Open View/3D View Options/3D Window Settings
2. Switch from OpenGL to Internal Engine mode
3. Set Shaded Mode from Raster to the default Analytic Mode and click OK
4. Open 3D Window Settings again and switch back to OpenGL engine
After clicking OK, the Quick Selection option should be usable again.

Please let me know if you need further help.

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

Anonymous — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:29:52 GMT

Thanx All for ur replies.....

and Katalin Takacs....u really helped....it solved the problem.....

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 19:49:00 GMT

I too have had this problem, I did not realize the problem was stemming from importing from V15, but the solution offered by Katalin works for me. Unfortunately, I will have to do all my 3d editing in Shading mode? I don't really like shade mode, I like hidden line. Why would the magnet not work in hidden line mode? Is this a glitch in the program that will be resolved?

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

kikoskiki — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 04:50:02 GMT

Hi everybody;
I have the same annoying problem. But I don't know if it is a bug or a change, since I read this in archicadwiki:

Quick Selection is Disabled in Wireframe Mode
In Wireframe and Hidden Line 3D display modes the Quick Selection (Magnet icon) is no longer available by design.

This is the link:
http://archicadwiki.com/ArchiCAD16ChangesGuide#Change_in_Default_Installation_-_Work_Environment_migration

Thank you for any suggestions

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

Barry Kelly — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:04:40 GMT

Disabled in wire frame I can understand as it is just a frame view - no surfaces.

But in hidden line it could be considered as a bug depending on how you look at it.
You can't see the colour of the surfaces but they are still there as they hide the lines.
I would consider it as a bug that we can't use quick select now in hidden line mode.

Barry.

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

David Maudlin — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:28:30 GMT

Barry wrote:
I would consider it as a bug that we can't use quick select now in hidden line mode.

Agreed. Hidden Line Mode is the best way to check the accuracy of the model and know what it will look like in section/elevation windows (surfaces in plane, material's match between planes), so the ability to select by surface in Hidden Line Mode should be brought back.

David

Re: AC 16 Quick selection tool in 3d window

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:18:16 GMT

I have the bug too. I have a iMac with a radeon card, and sometime I can´t select like in previous versions...