topic Re: Composites' Skins Height Function in Modeling

Composites' Skins Height Function

Anonymous — Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:29:36 GMT

Hi friends,
Today i am trying to draw a detail drawing.
I used composite walls. At the plan view everything is ok. But at the section view i don't want to see the tile skin above the false ceiling height. Is there function or way to adjust it ?
i can draw them one by one but it is not very practical in many cases.

Re: Composites' Skins Height Function

Link — Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:42:03 GMT

The best solution AFAIK is to use a complex profile wall and set your plane plane at a suitable height. Other workarounds include using white composite pens with special pensets, or even patches. Yuck.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Composites' Skins Height Function

Aussie John — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:40:32 GMT

Under some circumstances you can use Solid Element Operations to "strip" a lining from a wall above a ceiling

Re: Composites' Skins Height Function

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:43:01 GMT

Thank you friends,

i have a new question about composites.

Is there a way to adjust line views in composites in different scales? Is there any scale sensitive walls, slabs, beams like doors and windows?

For example i don't want to show plaster and tile skin in the scale 1/100
but i want to show them in 1/50 or 1/20.

Re: Composites' Skins Height Function

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:08:47 GMT

I voted "Essential" because that is the only reasonable way to model e.g. insulated precast concrete sandwich elements used as external walls. (This is the standard construction technique in Finland.)

I hope I understood the question!

Some people now model these as three separate walls (inner shell, insulation, outer shell) and obviously synchronising doors and windows is not exactly easy and the result is not an object in IFC-sense. Or in any other meaningful BIM-sense, for that matter.

Re: Composites' Skins Height Function

TomWaltz — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:32:28 GMT

Petri wrote:
I voted "Essential" because that is the only reasonable way to model e.g. insulated precast concrete sandwich elements used as external walls. (This is the standard construction technique in Finland.)

I hope I understood the question!

Some people now model these as three separate walls (inner shell, insulation, outer shell) and obviously synchronising doors and windows is not exactly easy and the result is not an object in IFC-sense. Or in any other meaningful BIM-sense, for that matter.

Don't profiled walls already allow you to do this?

Re: Composites' Skins Height Function

Djordje — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:38:02 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
Don't profiled walls already allow you to do this?

Yes they do, but you have to re-create the profile for every case.

Re: Composites' Skins Height Function

TomWaltz — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:57:22 GMT

Djordje wrote:
TomWaltz wrote:
Don't profiled walls already allow you to do this?
Yes they do, but you have to re-create the profile for every case.

can you "capture selected profile" to get what the composite already has in it? I never tried it, but that would be a pretty easy way to create a Profile from a Composite (if it worked)

Re: Composites' Skins Height Function

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 05:51:24 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:

Don't profiled walls already allow you to do this?

Good point - I'm not that far yet! Must be explored, but it may not be quite workable.

One would, I think, want to do the initial modelling without much detail, then use parameters to change the walls to whatever the engineer (and the manufacturer) tell you. Grabbing profiles to, say, 500 wall elements may not be quite as straightforward.

The "three walls" approach I learned from an experienced ArchiCAD user as the standard procedure. (Of course I've used the same approach in VectorWorks and it is truly painful!)

Re: Composites' Skins Height Function

Rick Thompson — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:59:54 GMT

An important component for this essential tool development is to tie quantities to each skin. Say a roof has exposed rafters... you need to reduce, or pull back, the core of the composite, leaving the decking and roof covering and joist (via roofmaker). This might effect the insulation quantities if the assembly is a vaulted ceiling... for an example.

This one tool improvement would be worth an upgrade price for me.

Re: Composites' Skins Height Function

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:45:55 GMT

Aussie wrote:
Under some circumstances you can use Solid Element Operations to "strip" a lining from a wall above a ceiling

That's how I've been dealing with it so far. I'm still wroking it all out, but using the subtraction with upwards extrusion seems to do the trick.

That said, it would be great is the profiled walls allowed you to independently set the heights of each component.

Re: Composites' Skins Height Function

Anonymous — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:11:12 GMT

ogabson wrote:

Is there a way to adjust line views in composites in different scales? Is there any scale sensitive walls, slabs, beams like doors and windows?

For example i don't want to show plaster and tile skin in the scale 1/100
but i want to show them in 1/50 or 1/20.

??
may be this is a new topic or new user wish. Then see you in a new topic