topic Re: Using cut plane for ghost plans in 10 in Modeling

Using cut plane for ghost plans in 10

Anonymous — Tue, 04 Jul 2006 04:53:44 GMT

Is anyone else using cut planes to show ghost stories in Archicad 10?

I'd like to show the walls in the story below on my framing plans. How do you show them below, but not on the current story?

Thanks for your help.

Hunter.

Re: Using cut plane for ghost plans in 10

Anonymous — Tue, 04 Jul 2006 07:09:24 GMT

The simplest way is to overlay two drawings on the layout. Set the pens in the background drawing to grey for best effect.

Re: Using cut plane for ghost plans in 10

Anonymous — Tue, 04 Jul 2006 22:56:09 GMT

You're joking right? Did I mention I was on Archicad 10?

Are you telling me that with all the new cut plane/relative floor plan range/abolute limits etc and wall display options we can't accomplish a simple framing plan scenario?

Hopefully one of you gurus will come up with the answer again!

Hunter.

Re: Using cut plane for ghost plans in 10

James Murray — Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:12:17 GMT

One of them already did. It may seem like a hack, but that's the easy way. Pen sets make it much easier.

Re: Using cut plane for ghost plans in 10

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:49:49 GMT

See, the thing is...cut planes don't have anything to do with pens & colors. GS, shouldn't your methodology for the cout plane in plan be similar to that of a section???

I would create a new pen set with all pens set to gray except those pens that you use in your framing plan. Keep those black. Assign this pen set to your framing plan drawing on the layout.

Re: Using cut plane for ghost plans in 10

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:06:17 GMT

Eric wrote:
GS, shouldn't your methodology for the cut plane in plan be similar to that of a section???

Plans and sections are not alike. The ghosted story is typically the one below not a deeper projected cut. This would be like showing the section beyond in an elevation or section.

Re: Using cut plane for ghost plans in 10

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:12:02 GMT

Hunter wrote:
Are you telling me that with all the new cut plane/relative floor plan range/abolute limits etc and wall display options we can't accomplish a simple framing plan scenario?

No, I'm telling you that we can, always could, and that it is easy to do.

Re: Using cut plane for ghost plans in 10

TomWaltz — Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:48:31 GMT

Hunter wrote:
Is anyone else using cut planes to show ghost stories in Archicad 10?

I'd like to show the walls in the story below on my framing plans. How do you show them below, but not on the current story?

Thanks for your help.

Hunter.

Try something like this:

Re: Using cut plane for ghost plans in 10

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:20:33 GMT

Matthew wrote:
Eric wrote:
GS, shouldn't your methodology for the cut plane in plan be similar to that of a section???
Plans and sections are not alike. The ghosted story is typically the one below not a deeper projected cut. This would be like showing the section beyond in an elevation or section.

Plans and sections are not currently alike, but in spirit they are. It's just another cut through the model and we should have similar control over how any model cut is displayed or printed. Yes it's a wishlist item, but that's why I was nudging GS.

He just wants to display the plan background below as screened/gray. At least that's how I interpreted it. This is more of a pen control issue and it could be handled similarly to the way the Cut Elements/Model elements/Distant Area Options works in sections/elevations. In fact, I wish that we had a S/E type representation of the Cut Elements/Model elements/Distant Area Options rather than the awful cut plane dialog we have now. I think if this option was available for plan views it would be much more consistent, intuitive and user friendly than current methods.

To exapnd on this idea I think that one should be able to assign a pen set rather than or in addition to a single pen for Cut Elements/Model elements/Distant Area Options.

Djordje, should my post be moved to the wishlist?

Re: Using cut plane for ghost plans in 10

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:41:45 GMT

Eric wrote:
Plans and sections are not currently alike, but in spirit they are. It's just another cut through the model and we should have similar control over how any model cut is displayed or printed.

I respectfully disagree. Plans are not simply another cut through the model. They have requirements for schematic representation that sections & elevations do not.

There are differences in the way different views of the model need to behave. Floor Plans, RCPs, Sections, Details, Perspectives, Axons, Schedules, Legends, Sheet/Drawing Indexes, etc. each have different requirements. Perhaps these could all be accommodated in one unified view definition, but this could also add a lot of unnecessary complexity.

He just wants to display the plan background below as screened/gray. At least that's how I interpreted it.

He is looking to show the plan of the floor below. This would be the equivalent in an elevation drawing to showing the section beyond - I have never run into any reason to do this. Both can be done with the overlay method. Neither can be done in a single drawing (short of an ugly copy/paste).

Perhaps the way to satisfy everyone would be to allow any drawing to be referenced into any other as a background. Of course this introduces more complexity into layer settings.

Re: Using cut plane for ghost plans in 10

Anonymous — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:12:33 GMT

Thank you Tom. Your simple screenshot solved the issue. The overlay method, or hack as James put it, is completely redundant now, in my opinion.

Eric's right - plans should be thought of as cuts through the model, just like sections & elevations, although this example was more than a case of just showing the background with the current layer combination. We should be able to have a similar marked distant area to which we can assign a specific layer combination, model view combination, pen set, etc. It would beat the pants off this ridiculously cumbersome and over-complex cut plane thing.

Let's get a true BIM environment already!

Hunter.