topic Re: AC13 : Structural Property in Modeling

AC13 : Structural Property

Anonymous — Fri, 26 May 2023 10:42:10 GMT

I've started investigating AC13 possibilities (demo version) and I wonder why the Structural Property tab for walls, beams, columns, ... is hidden while using the AC13 template? What's the point for manually check this option in the Tool Settings Dialog Boxes?

Re: AC13 : Sructural Property

Anonymous — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:32:15 GMT

I guess it's because it doesn't actually do anything unless you are transferring the model to a structural program like Tekla.

I've also noticed there isn't a similar setting for object based beams which may cause problems.

Re: AC13 : Sructural Property

Anonymous — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:49:42 GMT

Plausible but strange as it is communicated as one of the main 13 new features

Re: AC13 : Structural Property

Karl Ottenstein — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:28:55 GMT

It is odd that there does not appear to be any use of this feature within ArchiCAD itself - and the manual gives no specific details on how this is used in communication with engineers - if is is part of the IFC export, or what.

Here is a screenshot of the added panel to select load-bearing (or not) walls, columns, beams, etc.

Karl

Re: AC13 : Structural Property

Karl Ottenstein — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:30:09 GMT

For the architect to verify and schedule load-bearing components, I expected the 'load bearing' attribute to appear as an available schedule criterion. But, as you can see in the attached screenshot, it is not there.

Find & Select does not have an option to search for elements that are Load Bearing either.

Without these capabilities, I do not think it is wise (errors and omissions) to utilize this feature as you cannot audit your work...even if it does exchange to engineers somehow.

Karl

Re: AC13 : Structural Property

Anonymous — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:59:48 GMT

I think it may be part of the IFC export settings as I did notice the little IFC rebuild dialog briefly appear when I first enabled the Structural Property tab.

I've also just noticed this setting isn't passed on using the eydropper between elements. Should that be so?

I agree that it should be selectable using the find and select tool. How else can you double-check without individually selecting every element?

Re: AC13 : Structural Property

Steve Jepson — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:27:11 GMT

so just put it on a layer with an extension like .loadbearing

I don't understand why being able to identify a wall as load bearing is supposed to be sometihng new and/or important. There have always been lots of ways to do that.

What am I missing here ? Whats useful about that? How is doing it the new way better than the old way ?

Re: AC13 : Structural Property

Steve Jepson — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:28:30 GMT

Joeri wrote:
I've started investigating AC13 possibilities (demo version) and I wonder why the Structural Property tab for walls, beams, columns, ... is hidden while using the AC13 template? What's the point for manually check this option in the Tool Settings Dialog Boxes?

Where did you get an ArchiCAD 13 demo version ? Send me a link.

Re: AC13 : Structural Property

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:54:42 GMT

Well my wild ass guess is that it's the beginning (short of goal) of what I've been hoping for.
That is somehow getting my plans to be intelligent regarding our IBC based codes. More specifically to identify when we have met the criteria or bases for, or basics of, what we call "Conventional Light Frame Construction". This allows us as designers in at least my neck of the woods,(Calif) to design (within it's defined perimeters) up to two story residences WITHOUT structural engineering.
Sure liability exists, but what else is new?
Stay within the defined code and you at least have a wrapper of protection.
A beginning?
lec

Re: AC13 : Structural Property

Steve Jepson — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:24:07 GMT

Re: AC13 : Structural Property

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:25:00 GMT

I thought this info to be reflected in the 3D model with instant color visibility like Ecodesigner does (different color representation for external and internal walls, roofs, etc...) or at least information could be incorporated in a shedule. If no use in AC, obviously this option may be hidden.
Even for export to structural engineers only, how do you control / follow up this information? Element by element : tab by tab?
I don't mind having extra options in AC that need further development but please THIS is not a tool to put on the frontpage. Correct me if I'm wrong

Re: AC13 : Structural Property

Steve Jepson — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:29:23 GMT

Joeri! Where is my link to that ArchiCAD 13 demo ?

Re: AC13 : Structural Property

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:29:30 GMT

Steve,
No existing download link for the time being. I'm sure it will be available soon...

Re: AC13 : Structural Property

Mats_Knutsson — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:46:15 GMT

Bulk modeler labeled as Structural (Revit) differs between Architectural and Structural content and canät do architectural modeling. ArchiCAD on the other hand can do both Architectural and Structural. If you check load-bearing in AC the structural engineers don't need to do it themselves. It's pretty easy to do it but it's more elegant if they don't need to.

We'll focus on the AC+Tekla cooperation and produce videos of the workflow between ArchiCAD and Tekla as soon as possible. Firstly in Swedish but I think it's a task for the respective reseller since our markets use the different softwares slightly different and the "border" between A and S are somewhat different.
Phew...need to work now...AC-talk ban for me for the rest of the week.
/M

Re: AC13 : Structural Property

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:54:32 GMT

One of the Chapters of the upcoming Collaboration Interactive Training Guide will also have a part that is about IFC export-import and it will show the use of this Load-bearing option in ArchiCAD.