topic Re: Applying complex profile to slab? in Modeling

Applying complex profile to slab?

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2023 15:48:36 GMT

Hi everybody,
I'm creating the complex structure of a terrace slab, and I need to add a slope to the upper surface (to have water run off properly). Is there a way I can edit the profile of the layers of the slab, like I can do with walls?

Thanks!

Enrico

Re: Applying complex profile to slab?

Anonymous — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:57:27 GMT

Enrico!

Best to use a mesh rather than a slab if you want a sloping top surface. This is also true for ramps.

If you need to show layers, use a slab (or complex layered slab) for the level layers, then a mesh for the sloping or wedge-shaped part. If you need another layer on top of this you could use a roof.

Re: Applying complex profile to slab?

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:31:01 GMT

Samovar wrote:
Best to use a mesh rather than a slab if you want a sloping top surface. This is also true for ramps.

Agree. Although, often just using roofs works for easy situations.

In the case of modeling complex draining surfaces with a mesh ... depending on how complex ... you might become unhappy with the thickness in section. In that case, download the 'goodie' (via Help menu link) Mesh to Roof which will generate roof bits corresponding to the mesh surface. You can then apply a composite, if desired, to these roofs as Samovar suggests to get more detail in your sections.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Applying complex profile to slab?

owen — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:54:52 GMT

Karl wrote:
Samovar wrote:
Best to use a mesh rather than a slab if you want a sloping top surface. This is also true for ramps.
Agree. Although, often just using roofs works for easy situations.

In the case of modeling complex draining surfaces with a mesh ... depending on how complex ... you might become unhappy with the thickness in section. In that case, download the 'goodie' (via Help menu link) Mesh to Roof which will generate roof bits corresponding to the mesh surface. You can then apply a composite, if desired, to these roofs as Samovar suggests to get more detail in your sections.

Cheers,
Karl

I tend to use the Mesh-to-Roof tool Karl is refering to (keep your mesh on a hidden layer for later editing), although another workaround is to vertically offset a duplicate of your mesh by the thickness you want your slab and then use SEO to subtract this copy from the upper slab - leaving just the section of mesh you want to show as the slab.

There is a bleedingly-obvious-feature wish somewhere to give us this thickness option built into the mesh tool. I think the slab tool and mesh tools should be rolled into one tool - everything starts as a simple horizontal slab and then you can add points, raise their Z height, etc.

Re: Applying complex profile to slab?

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:38:27 GMT

Enrico wrote:
Hi everybody,
I'm creating the complex structure of a terrace slab, and I need to add a slope to the upper surface (to have water run off properly). Is there a way I can edit the profile of the layers of the slab, like I can do with walls?

Thanks!

Enrico

If you just want a simple sloped edge for your Slab, ArchiCAD 13 has that as a new feature.

Re: Applying complex profile to slab?

Anonymous — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:31:25 GMT

Thanks everybody, as always!

I'll try and use a combination of slab (horizontal bearing structure+insulation) mesh ("wedge" part between horizontal part and the sloping one) and roof (top finish).

I'll also try the mesh-to-roof tool you've mentioned...

Once again: thanks a lot!

Enrico

Re: Applying complex profile to slab?

SeaGeoff — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:28:47 GMT

In most cases a roof over a slab followed by an SEO (subtraction of the slab from the roof) will give a good result. The Fit to Skin option on AC13 will aid in proper display of directional fills if they are used in the roof part.

Re: Applying complex profile to slab?

Anonymous — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:38:19 GMT

funny, I used my revit background and concluded that the subtraction tool would do the job. its. revitalizing has the ability to slope the top layer of a slab while keeping the underside flat. I would like to see something like this in AC. So in AC, is the roof used interchangeably with floors? I want to make sure I know my options now that I am converting back to AC and actually learn it well.

Re: Applying complex profile to slab?

Laszlo Nagy — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:34:45 GMT

Profoxcg wrote:
funny, I used my revitalizing background and concluded that the subtraction tool would do the job. its. revitalizing has the ability to slope the top layer of a slab while keeping the underside flat. I would like to see something like this in AC. So in AC, is the roof used interchangeably with floors? I want to make sure I know my options now that I am converting back to AC and actually learn it well.

The Roof can be sloped, the Slab cannot.
Now it is possible to have sloped edge for Slabs, just like Roofs.
But with Roofs you can also define what kind of edge and edge is: eave, valley, gable, ridge etc. That can be useful when listing/scheduling Roofs.

Re: Applying complex profile to slab?

David Maudlin — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:36:55 GMT

Profoxcg wrote:
...revitalizing has the ability to slope the top layer of a slab while keeping the underside flat. I would like to see something like this in AC...

The Mesh Tool does this.

Profoxcg wrote:
So in AC, is the roof used interchangeably with floors? I want to make sure I know my options now that I am converting back to AC and actually learn it well.

As you get back into ArchiCAD, you should start to discard the tool names and just think of the geometries they are capable of. A ramp might be best done with the Roof Tool or Mesh Tool, depending on the situation.

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David