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windows in complex profile wall

Anonymous — Wed, 24 May 2023 11:02:32 GMT

Aloha,
I am creating bowed or arched wall based on a complex profile that I've created.
I'm having two problems with the bowed wall. The windows placed in the wall do not match the arch of the wall (see image below). The other problem is where the arched wall intersects another wall.
Please let me know if there are ways to get the windows to lay flat in an arched wall like this and if there is a way for complex profile walls like this to intersect cleanly with straight walls.

Re: windows in complex profile wall

Anonymous — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:31:31 GMT

here is another view of the problem wall intersections and windows in the arched wall created with a complex profile

Re: windows in complex profile wall

Anonymous — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:31:05 GMT

johncassel wrote:
Please let me know if there are ways to get the windows to lay flat in an arched wall like this

Hi John,

Try activating the opening reference lines and adjust them to match the shape of the wall (in the profile settings). Make sure the opening plane of the windows is associated to wall (see the attached images).
About the walls intersection ... do they have the same profile?

Cheers,
Adrian Tudoreanu

Re: windows in complex profile wall

Anonymous — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:10:08 GMT

adytc wrote:
johncassel wrote:
Please let me know if there are ways to get the windows to lay flat in an arched wall like this
Hi John,

Try activating the opening reference lines and adjust them to match the shape of the wall (in the profile settings). Make sure the opening plane of the windows is associated to wall (see the attached images).
About the walls intersection ... do they have the same profile?

Cheers,
Adrian Tudoreanu

Aloha Adrian,
Adjusting the opening reference lines worked to tilt the windows in line with the wall it did not entirely fix the situation as the window trim does not show up on the outside of the wall.

Re: windows in complex profile wall

Anonymous — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:13:48 GMT

here is a section view of the problem

Re: windows in complex profile wall

Erika Epstein — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:04:50 GMT

If you want to make the frames follow the curve of the wall, you will have to make a separate custom part, just as the will need to be done when they build it wink:

Re: windows in complex profile wall

Anonymous — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:25:25 GMT

Aloha Erika,
Thank you for that tip.

Is there any way to get the corners of the wall to resolve properly?
Thank you,
John

Re: windows in complex profile wall

Anonymous — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:52:06 GMT

here is a section view of the problem
I understand that I'll need to make custom parts for the window trim. Is the any way to move the window closer to the exterior surface of the wall?

Re: windows in complex profile wall

Anonymous — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 19:58:21 GMT

here are the settings for the complex profile

Re: windows in complex profile wall

Anonymous — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:11:53 GMT

profile editor

Re: windows in complex profile wall

David Maudlin — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:52:28 GMT

John:

I would try this as a general approach:
1. Convert the windows to Empty Openings
2. Measure the angle of the Empty Opening at each window height (this angle changes as the height along the curved wall changes)
3. Place a Slanted Wall of this angle in each Empty Opening, the wall being the size of the opening
4. Place your windows in these Slanted Walls
The windows will follow the Slanted Walls at the correct angle at each opening, and you can adjust the thickness of the Slanted Walls to get the the trim in the right spots. It won't be perfect, but good enough at 1/4" scale.

David

Re: windows in complex profile wall

Anonymous — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:08:15 GMT

David wrote:
John:

I would try this as a general approach:
1. Convert the windows to Empty Openings
2. Measure the angle of the Empty Opening at each window height (this angle changes as the height along the curved wall changes)
3. Place a Slanted Wall of this angle in each Empty Opening, the wall being the size of the opening
4. Place your windows in these Slanted Walls
The windows will follow the Slanted Walls at the correct angle at each opening, and you can adjust the thickness of the Slanted Walls to get the the trim in the right spots. It won't be perfect, but good enough at 1/4" scale.

David

Aloha David,
That sounds brilliant. From your image it looks like it works. I'm going to try now.
How did you hide the slanted walls?
Do you have a suggestion on how to get the intersections of the walls (complex profile to straight wall) to resolve in 3D and elevations?
Mahalo,
John

Re: windows in complex profile wall

David Maudlin — Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:09:25 GMT

johncassel wrote:
How did you hide the slanted walls?
Do you have a suggestion on how to get the intersections of the walls (complex profile to straight wall) to resolve in 3D and elevations?

Since the slanted walls are the same size as the windows, they are completely hidden by the window so won't show in any view.

David

Re: windows in complex profile wall

Anonymous — Mon, 31 Oct 2011 15:45:23 GMT

Aloha David,
Thanks for the explanation about the slanted walls.
Do you have a suggestion on how to get the intersections of the walls (complex profile to straight wall) to resolve in 3D and elevations?
Mahalo,
John

Re: windows in complex profile wall

David Maudlin — Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:19:32 GMT

johncassel wrote:
Do you have a suggestion on how to get the intersections of the walls (complex profile to straight wall) to resolve in 3D and elevations?

As long as the slanted wall is the same size (width and height) as the Empty Opening, there should not be an issue. If there is, then post some images to illustrate the problem.

David

Re: windows in complex profile wall

Anonymous — Tue, 01 Nov 2011 15:03:48 GMT

David wrote:
johncassel wrote:
Do you have a suggestion on how to get the intersections of the walls (complex profile to straight wall) to resolve in 3D and elevations?
As long as the slanted wall is the same size (width and height) as the Empty Opening, there should not be an issue. If there is, then post some images to illustrate the problem.

David

Aloha David,
This is a different problem from the windows in the complex wall. Your solution for the windows works. Thank you.
The problem that I'm addressing here is at the corner of the complex wall and the intersecting straight wall. You can see the problem in the second and third images that I posted in this thread. The corner of the two walls do not resolve properly.
Please let me know if there is a solution to this problem.
Thank you for your help.
John

Re: windows in complex profile wall

David Maudlin — Wed, 02 Nov 2011 13:19:36 GMT

John:

Works here, wall reference lines are on the exterior edges, and they meet at the bottom of the walls. This is from AC 11.

David

Re: windows in complex profile wall

Karl Ottenstein — Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:57:25 GMT

Thanks, David.

...John (and David...and all readers)... please post ONE topic per thread with a subject line that reflects the topic. If you have further discussion of this issue of joining a complex profiled walls cleanly, please start a new thread with that as a subject so that other readers can find it. 😉

Thanks and cheers,
Karl

Re: windows in complex profile wall

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:43:23 GMT

David wrote:
John:

Works here, wall reference lines are on the exterior edges, and they meet at the bottom of the walls. This is from AC 11.

David

David,
Thanks for encouraging me to try it again. I created a new set of walls and they joined/intersected perfectly.
A fun aspect of this is that if I switch the Construction Method (control line side) from right to left the wall goes from convex to concave. That is going to be very handy for creating/designing some crazy shaped walls.

Karl,
Whoops, sorry. Next time I'll separate out the questions into separate threads right from the beginning.

Mahalo,
John