topic Re: creating curved walls in Modeling

creating curved walls

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:52:23 GMT

i want to create one wall like one conoid with different height that archicad leaves me to make. does anyone know how can i fix it? to understand better what i have to make look calatrava's auditorium di tenerife. i tried to fix it with objects from archicad (conoid) but doesn't leave me to get the height i want. can anybody help me?

Re: creating curved walls

Anonymous — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:21:53 GMT

I've got a very complex solution by using google free sketchup to create the 3D Model, but in free version, we can't export to 3ds. (and still, AC 12 can't not import skp file until now, we are still waiting)

Here is an complex alternative to convert skp to 3ds:

Export the model as Google Earth (*.kmz)
Rename the file to *.ZIP.
Open with ZIP archiver of choice.
You 'll see a txt doc with list of used textures (if any), a *.kml file which is a Google earth mark-up language (XML) file, and...
a *.DAE file.
DAE is acutally a COLLADA file which you can open with Blender, and export to any format that Blender( free 3D software from web) supports.
then export to 3Ds.

Finally, import the 3D model to gsm in AC, and assign a material.

It is a very complex method, and I believe this complex conversion would

cause much data-loss. It is not preferable for complex model.

Would any senior provide an other easier way only in AC?

Re: creating curved walls

Anonymous — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:37:39 GMT

any one know any better solution?

Re: creating curved walls

Anonymous — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:52:22 GMT

angus wrote:
any one know any better solution?

that was always problem with archicad

when u want to design something different from evryday design, u r stucked...

I was reading tread where some people attack cigraph for delay and dongle use, but trust me GS is the worst of them all... every year we write wishes and trying to point them what we need but they are blind... archicad need some kind of internal modeler where designers and architect can really DESIGN. Its a hard job to write a code for that but thats what we need

Re: creating curved walls

Anonymous — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:57:32 GMT

It is understandable for the conflict between free form and parametric objects.....

I think at least we should have the sketchup add on for AC12 .... I don't wanna convert so much....... because any change would cause inconvenience.

Re: creating curved walls

Djordje — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:23:04 GMT

Temporary workaround:

Install an older version of ArchiCAD that does have the SketchUp import. Do your model importing there. Use in current ArchiCAD.

Re: creating curved walls

Anonymous — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:34:02 GMT

I managed to do it in 2 minutes with 2 meshes, 1 slab, SEO and object saving.

Edit:
p.s.: But I agree that we need a more robust free form modeler.

Re: creating curved walls

Dwight — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:09:37 GMT

And here, two hemispheres SEO from the bottom.

Re: creating curved walls

Dennis Lee — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:39:06 GMT

Braza wrote:
I managed to do it in 2 minutes with 2 meshes, 1 slab, SEO and object saving.

Edit:
p.s.: But I agree that we need a more robust free form modeler.

Sorry, but for people like me, could you show us the 3 elements in their whole? and how it looks? (To me, mesh is only a piece of earth How can a mesh be used to create a beautiful form like that???)

Re: creating curved walls

Anonymous — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:10:13 GMT

Hi Dennis,

No prob... Here it is:

1. Model half of the shape using one mass mesh with the main curved shape;
2. Elevate one vertice;
3. Copy the same mesh and elevate by the thickness of the form;
4. Create a slab at level zero to cut the form;
5. Do the SEO;
6. Create a 3d side view of the half form;
7. Save it as an object;
8. Insert it in the project;
9. Mirror it.

Hope that helps.

Re: creating curved walls

Anonymous — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:15:05 GMT

What makes the charm of AC is :

Complex profiles (@Dwight)
Lateral Thinking (@Djordje)

And for sure, a mix of both. Short resume.

Djordje, Dwight and Braza's suggestions, for the occurence, are good illustrations of the numerous (infinite?) possibilities.

Re: creating curved walls

Dwight — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:23:52 GMT

Yes:

Infinitely numerous, tortured, hard-to-edit, fabricated, absolutely hi-level experienced product that still doesn't approach the kind of simple playfulness these operations should have.

Charm, or curse?

Re: creating curved walls

Anonymous — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:49:26 GMT

Dwight wrote:
Yes:

Infinitely numerous, tortured, hard-to-edit, fabricated, absolutely hi-level experienced product that still doesn't approach the kind of simple playfulness these operations should have.

Charm, or curse?

May be charm is not the correct word, I agree. Take it as an an euphemism (correct?).
I am not an English speaker, you know.

Re: creating curved walls

Dennis Lee — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:40:23 GMT

Braza wrote:
Hi Dennis,

No prob... Here it is:

1. Model half of the shape using one mass mesh with the main curved shape;
2. Elevate one vertice;
3. Copy the same mesh and elevate by the thickness of the form;
4. Create a slab at level zero to cut the form;
5. Do the SEO;
6. Create a 3d side view of the half form;
7. Save it as an object;
8. Insert it in the project;
9. Mirror it.

Hope that helps.

Brilliant!!!
Thanks Braza, I think I'll be pressing that Mesh button a little more now...

Re: creating curved walls

Dwight — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:49:48 GMT

Olivier wrote:

May be charm is not the correct word, I agree. Take it as an a euphemism.

Hahaha.
I am thick in the head these days.

Euphemism: From the pious saint "Euphemia" who always used a polite word when she meant the opposite. ~~[i made that up]~~

Re: creating curved walls

Anonymous — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:15:16 GMT

Dwight wrote:
Hahaha.
I am thick in the head these days.

Euphemism: From the pious saint "Euphemia" who always used a polite word when she meant the opposite. ~~[i made that up]~~

That is puerile. Or is there a third degree?

Re: creating curved walls

Anonymous — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:27:26 GMT

Hi Folks,

This example show us how AC still can surprise us after all those years...
I think that Djordge's "Lateral Thinking" is the key word when working with AC... (Is it copyright?... )
AC always let us choose... and just when we thought there was no other options... there comes a new one.
That's why we all love this software.
Long life for AC!

Re: creating curved walls

Anonymous — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:35:46 GMT

I hate to say it again, but this is very easy with Autocad!

It took me 29 minutes to model it, 20 of them to test and define the form in 2D! And this is not approximation, it is the real thing! Autocad R14, date of issue 1998 or earlier!

Autocad is the best plug-in for AC!

And AC's 3D modelling ssucks!

Re: creating curved walls

Djordje — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:23:45 GMT

Things are not always what they seem ... and then, there are owls.

Twin peaks, anyone?

Re: creating curved walls

Anonymous — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:16:55 GMT

Braza, good job!!

Actually, everybody did a great job!!

we solved a problem together with different alternative.

no matter which software you are using,

just like playing piano, guitar, violin of something,

all we want is making beautiful music

all of you guys are so great.