topic Re: ArchiCAD 10 in Modeling

ArchiCAD 10

Anonymous — Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:58:02 GMT

GS please give us a list of ac 10 will be able to do

many users are dissapointed by the progress of the last versions and thinking about switching from archicad to another cad software.

Re: features of ac 10

Djordje — Sun, 01 Jan 2006 15:01:04 GMT

zucoc wrote:
GS please give us a list of ac 10 will be able to do

Just like all the ArchiCADs until now ... whatever you are able to do with it, otherwise nothing on its own.

ArchiCAD 10

Steve Jepson — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:23:19 GMT

It's February already. If 10 is coming out in a month or so, its time to let us know what to expect. Many of us paid for an early subscription to get the 10 upgrade as long as 6 moths ago. (4 months ago for me I think)

It seems only reasonable that some information about 10 and it's release date should be provided to us.

What is the reason we are not allowed to know anything about the product we already paid for 6 months ago?

By now it has already been determined what will be included in version 10. They are not going to change that because the competition finds out something. It is already what it is going to be. Who cares what the competition wants to do about it. This is probably only imaginary anyway. They don't care. They are all doing there own thing.

Can someone give me and example of how it would be bad for Graphisoft to let us to know what is in version 10?

The conclusion that arises is that if we knew what was in 10, we would not buy the subscription. I think that is very unlikely. I bet it has many new things that will be well worth the upgrade. Besides, they know they have us over the barrel, we are being forced to buy the subscription. Either that or pay a lot more for the upgrade latter, or quit ArchiCAD altogether. I would guess that 90% of existing users are going to purchase the subscription. Just like AutoCAD users are now, we could not afford to switch CAD software even if we wanted too.

I am hoping my comments are a waste of time because Graphisoft is launching the "Perfect 10" campaign tomorrow and we will all be satisfied to know we are going to get our moneys worth ( as usual ) from Graphisoft.

Re: ArchiCAD 10

Rakela Raul — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:45:06 GMT

if pm is now incorporated into ac ..wouldnt that be enough for you to upgrade??

Re: ArchiCAD 10

Steve Jepson — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:47:59 GMT

no. I get by pretty well as it is, however, that is going to be nice I think. It could turn out to be a step backward into paperspace.

Re: ArchiCAD 10

Rakela Raul — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:52:51 GMT

Informations I'm about to write are not confirmed. I found them on polish archicad forum and they're just some first impresions from beta version of AC 10. Like below:

- Plotmaker will be finally soak into ArchiCAD, you'll be able to use it via project navigator, also you can assign different pen sets to different layouts
- coordinates and control bars will be convert to a kind of pet palette which follow cursor, so you'll have it always at hand
- there will be "mesuring tape" tool for easy mesure of distance between any two points
- menu options were reorganized, for example "display options" has its own preview window so you can see how your configuration will affect the plan
- you can finally do sloped walls and posts without gdl script, also bottom and top thickness of a wall can be different
- fills can use gradients now (linear or radial)
- fills have their own X Y axis and can be resized independently (you can change proportion of a pattern) and what is more - bend them
- "see what you're about to select" function, cursor recognize what is under it in 2D and 3D
- one navigation orbit in 3D!! shift+mouse for navigation instead of previous 3D navigation palette
- Lightworks environment seems not to have any major improvements
The same lousy material preview window, no radiosity.

Looks like they focused on some long-time-needed improvements more than on making revolutionary release.
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Pawel Kruk

Re: ArchiCAD 10

Anonymous — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:45:12 GMT

from a spanish architecture forum:

http://www.arquinauta.com/foros/showthread.php?s=6f5b3ef149af29e349cb3c4f2c649fc6&t=5808

doesnt really show much though.

Re: ArchiCAD 10

Rakela Raul — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:15:24 GMT

i hope that 'juan carlitos' and 'mirtha" are not in this forum !!!!

i also hope steve is pleased now

Re: ArchiCAD 10

Anonymous — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:46:52 GMT

Rakela wrote:
Informations I'm about to write are not confirmed. I found them on polish archicad forum and they're just some first impresions from beta version of AC 10. Like below:

- Plotmaker will be finally soak into ArchiCAD, you'll be able to use it via project navigator, also you can assign different pen sets to different layouts
- coordinates and control bars will be convert to a kind of pet palette which follow cursor, so you'll have it always at hand
- there will be "mesuring tape" tool for easy mesure of distance between any two points
- menu options were reorganized, for example "display options" has its own preview window so you can see how your configuration will affect the plan
- you can finally do sloped walls and posts without gdl script, also bottom and top thickness of a wall can be different
- fills can use gradients now (linear or radial)
- fills have their own X Y axis and can be resized independently (you can change proportion of a pattern) and what is more - bend them
- "see what you're about to select" function, cursor recognize what is under it in 2D and 3D
- one navigation orbit in 3D!! shift+mouse for navigation instead of previous 3D navigation palette
- Lightworks environment seems not to have any major improvements
The same lousy material preview window, no radiosity.

Looks like they focused on some long-time-needed improvements more than on making revolutionary release.
_________________
Pawel Kruk

Just HOPE that is not all, just hope....
Joseph

Re: ArchiCAD 10

Steve Jepson — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:54:04 GMT

That's what I was thinking too.

Re: ArchiCAD 10

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:28:46 GMT

As i said, and i will say it a million times.
Archicad has skipped a version.
V9 was featureless and this is why we are frustrated.
We are just 2 year behind, and many many things will be not answered.

V10 might be a good release. But not a GREAT one.

Not having a scripting language (vb like- coldfusion like) is a MAJOR dissadvantage. Simple things that could be accomplished by scrippting must be done by using the complex API. This is a great dissadvantage,
GDL by design cannot be user interactive.
But we could have a scripting language that could change GDL parameters by asking the user. For example pick a point, give me a value! and so on..

The material browser is simply dissapointing.
Assigning and changing materials is really difficult.

Its really bad to welcome a good release with mixed feelings only because the previous one was the biggest dissapointment i could imagine.

I know i whine a lot. But at least i am correct

Re: ArchiCAD 10

Djordje — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:42:53 GMT

oreopoulos wrote:
V9 was featureless and this is why we are frustrated.

The whole version was the new feature. But it takes one to understand.

Do you prefer watching a Wim Wenders movie or a Coke ad?

Re: ArchiCAD 10

Steve Jepson — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:44:18 GMT

Pepsi. I like Cindy. Why doesn't she git rid of that little mole thing?

Re: ArchiCAD 10

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:02:07 GMT

I prefer Godar. But i think that is not our case.
Your opinion is respected, but looking at the big fat list of basic features missing, and knowing how easy it is to program a GUI and knowing that all the effort in v9 has gone in Estimator+Constructor makes me think that v9 was a skipped version.

I prefer a text gui with 1000 features than a perfect gui with 10 features.
But this is my approach.

I think that a cad software in 2006 cannot handle materials so badly.
An advanced app, that is around the market for 20 years cannot be without a scrpiting environment. It cannot handle curved surfaces as a taboo, cannot be without a proper keynote system. Rotate in 3d cannot be a taboo. Using seo (that we first saw in autocad more than a decade ago) cannot be at a primitve stage and the list is big.

This is why a new GUI was not important. It is welcomed ofcourse. But not on the cost of important features.

Just a differnet point of view.

Re: ArchiCAD 10

Steve Jepson — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:26:48 GMT

oreopoulos,

You state the arguments exactly right. Well said! However, I disagree about scripting.

Any amount of text scripting is too much for me. Personally, I do not ever want to see anything that looks like a command line again. Ever.

There will always be better ways to do things, but as it is, I can still get ArchiCAD to do anything I need it to do. Perhaps not everything you would want it to do.

I am quite sure that I have already recouped my investment in the V9 up grade. My productivity is much higher now than it was with 8.

I do not expect big changes from a program that is already peaking, as you would (or did) in a newer program like Revit. AutoDesk is bound to have more radical changes in their upgrades because they have more catching up to do that ArchiCAD.

If V10 adds as much increased productivity as V9 did, I will be very impressed.

Re: ArchiCAD 10

Rakela Raul — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:33:43 GMT

If V10 adds as much increased productivity as V9 did, I will be very impressed.

then be impressed steve!! cuz having pm inside ac is a lot to ask, if rumor true of course
(also true, that pm should have been inside ac in ac9, cuz pm in ac9 wasnt taken care of as it should have been)

Re: ArchiCAD 10

Rakela Raul — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:37:19 GMT

hey, dont fight me..i just said that to reach 400 posts

Re: ArchiCAD 10

Steve Jepson — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:41:41 GMT

I think you are right Rakela, and I think I will be very impressed.

I am a one-man show and don't make plans bigger than 8 or 10 sheets very often. Mostly house plans. With the templates I have it is not always worth it to fight with PlotMaker. The redraw time kills me. Larger projects of course PM is an essential tool.

Why can't Graphisoft at least tell us a little about how it will work in V10 ?
They have not even officially acknowledged that it is going to happen.

Re: ArchiCAD 10

Steve Jepson — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:43:22 GMT

I am trying to get 500 by the end of the day.

Re: ArchiCAD 10

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:08:05 GMT

Steve

Scripting is valuable because you can make smarter and easier objects.
Now gdl cannot interact with the user. You cannot select a fill and trace its points. This can only be done with plugins. If scripting was avaliable, many many many smart routines would be created. Perhaps you would not like to write a script, but everyone could benifit because more routines would be made possible.

anyway. just my point of view.

Glad we agree on all other