topic Curtain Wall Tool-The Details in Modeling

Curtain Wall Tool-The Details

rgarand — Thu, 25 May 2023 16:30:47 GMT

Hello all,

I have managed to work out a simple storefront entryway with the curtain wall tool, although it would of been quicker to build it with slabs/walls...anyway.

See the attached image showing some small gaps left behind. I deleted a vertical frame near the top of the door, the frame stops half way down from where is should be. I tried to vertically stretch this so that it aligns with the horiz. frame piece but was unsuccessful. Any thoughts on how to make this look right.

Also the door sill has a similar problem. When I changed the panel to a door the bottom frame stayed...I tried to delete this piece of frame and it would not disappear. I chose to make it invisible, but now I have the problem you can see in the image.

Any help will be appreciated.

TIA

Re: Curtain Wall Tool-The Details

__archiben — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:56:53 GMT

rgarand wrote:
Any help will be appreciated.

the curtain wall tool quite frankly baffles me, but have you tried switching your boundary frames to "Inside Grid". might not make the hole at the top disappear, but it might resolve the threshold issue?

~/archiben

Re: Curtain Wall Tool-The Details

Link — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:09:45 GMT

Maybe try downloading the library update from your Help menu? According to the release notes it looks like these errors ~may~ have been addressed.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Curtain Wall Tool-The Details

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:54:45 GMT

rgarand wrote:
Hello all,

I have managed to work out a simple storefront entryway with the curtain wall tool, although it would of been quicker to build it with slabs/walls...anyway.

See the attached image showing some small gaps left behind. I deleted a vertical frame near the top of the door, the frame stops half way down from where is should be. I tried to vertically stretch this so that it aligns with the horiz. frame piece but was unsuccessful. Any thoughts on how to make this look right.

Also the door sill has a similar problem. When I changed the panel to a door the bottom frame stayed...I tried to delete this piece of frame and it would not disappear. I chose to make it invisible, but now I have the problem you can see in the image.

Any help will be appreciated.

TIA

I think this problem comes from the Frame Intersection Priority numbers.
You have a T-joint and 3 Frames. The T-joint is defined by the Scheme.
First, the Frame with the highest Frame Intersection Priority number will be extended till the T-joint intersection point. Then the next one with the highest Frame Intersection Priority number and so one.
If a vertical and a horizontal have the same Frame Intersection Priority number, they will form an L-joint.
If you have a horizontal and a vertical coming into the same joint then the one with the highest Frame Intersection Priority number will not be extended till the intersection point but will be shortened so that it extends only to the side of the perpendicular Frame.

In your case I am guessing the vertical Frame's Frame Intersection Priority number is the highest of the three, This is why the two horizontal ones to not extend till the intersection point.

You can do what Ben suggested because then the Scheme grid will be at the outside of the Boundary Frames so the vertical Frame will extend to their outside which give a good result.

Or you can decrease the Frame Intersection Priority number of the vertical Frame.

There are a lot of possibilities to achieve the desired result.

Re: Curtain Wall Tool-The Details

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:06:03 GMT

rgarand wrote:
Any help will be appreciated.

TIA

Another thing:
Do I see it correctly that there is a gap below the Door?
I guess you set the Boundary Frame below the Door to invisible. That is what usually gives this result.
There is a way to extend the Door all the way down:
In the Curtain Wall System Settings Dialog, choose Curtain Wall System on the left vertical panel, and in the Member Placement panel, choose the Inside Grid radio button.
Then select the Frames below the Door and set their thickness to zero.
Also, in the Frame Type and Geometry Panel, set the value of the "d" parameter to zero so that the Door can extend till the Schemed Grid axis and not stop 20-30 mm sooner.
That will do the trick.

Edit: based on Djordje's question in the next post, one addition: this is needed only when there is a Boundary Frame below the Door. Normally, in a general panel no such tricks are needed.

Re: Curtain Wall Tool-The Details

Djordje — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:36:33 GMT

Hm ... can the frame just below the door not be deleted and that's it?

Re: Curtain Wall Tool-The Details

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:51:07 GMT

Boundary Frames cannot be deleted.

Re: Curtain Wall Tool-The Details

rgarand — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:48:39 GMT

Thanks for the responses everyone. Laszlo's info worked out well.

I was able to lower the door threshold by defining the bottom boundary frame with a height and a width of 0. Then I set the priorities, as described, for the other pieces of framework and all seemed to work out just fine. See the attached image of the result.

The curtain wall tool is very complex. Thanks to Laszlo for a bit of insight and direction.

Re: Curtain Wall Tool-The Details

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:05:32 GMT

You are welcome.
Yes, it is a complex tool, but that also means a lot of possibilities once you know how to use it.

Re: Curtain Wall Tool-The Details

Anonymous — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:20:50 GMT

I can't change the height of the curtain wall... isn't it editable??
Thanks

Re: Curtain Wall Tool-The Details

Erika Epstein — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:35:04 GMT

With just the SCHEME showing, adjust the boundary frame graphically to reflect height and width of actual curtain wall

Re: Curtain Wall Tool-The Details

Anonymous — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:14:02 GMT

Thanks Erika,
But I couldn't make it.. with the scheme edit in 3d i just changed the size of the panel... I need to reduce the height of the whole curtain without changing the panels to fit on the space that I already have...

Thanks 😃

Re: Curtain Wall Tool-The Details

Erika Epstein — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:08:04 GMT

The scheme defines the repeat pattern of the curtain wall.
The boundary line is most easily seen, and therefore editable, when only the scheme is set to be visible. It can be edited like any other polygon such as a fill, slab, roof etc. You adjust the edges when you see a mercedes shaped cursor.

If you want to set a specific height other than what you originally set when first creating the CW, then define a local origin alt/opt+shift from which when you adjust a boundary frame you can then enter the precise height.

HTH

Re: Curtain Wall Tool-The Details

Anonymous — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:20:47 GMT

ohhh now I see...
sorry...
in my case I have a few curtain walls so I have to edit each separately...
But it worked
Thanks a lot -)

Re: Curtain Wall Tool-The Details

Erika Epstein — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:24:56 GMT

Your welcome.
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