topic Re: wall ends not showing in Modeling

wall ends not showing

Anonymous — Wed, 24 May 2023 07:07:57 GMT

This is probably a basic question, but i can't seem to get the wall ends to show when i have two walls of different heights either intersecting or if i change the height of a continuos wall, like stepping up in a foundation wall say. i have noticed that in a continuos wall, if i flip one so the the outside is opposite to the adjoining piece the there is a wall end line showing. i've selected show both wall ends, but that only seems to work when a wall terminates. in this case i'm drawing foundation walls and i have drawn an opening for a man door, but because there is a lower wall segment under the opening there are no wall ends on either side of the opening:?

Re: wall ends not showing

Nando Mogollon — Thu, 31 Oct 2013 00:40:55 GMT

Hi,
I really don't understand the opening portion of the problem... for the walls in different heights, it depends on the Floor Plan Cut Plane level ( see Pic):

If you're cutting above it will show the wall end lines, if cutting the walls, no wall end lines will be shown.

Re: wall ends not showing

Anonymous — Thu, 31 Oct 2013 04:07:27 GMT

my cutting plane is set to 4' in this example one wall is cut and the other two are not, but i still don't see a wall end. maybe i'm misguided here, but in the olden days if i wanted to indicate a pony wall in plan, i would draw a line where the wall heights changed, i thought this was standard, but i'm self taught so i don't really know. but at the same time, if i flip a segment of wall so that the outside is the opposite to the adjacent wall segment, then a line shows. in this case it doesn't matter, but when i want to show the openings in a foundation wall for doors it is necessary. i just had an epiphany, i should use empty openings for that. but still, if i want to indicate differing wall heights i thought this is the way, unless someone can enlighten me.
H

Re: wall ends not showing

Barry Kelly — Thu, 31 Oct 2013 06:18:53 GMT

As you have discovered if the reference lines are in line then the walls join with no end lines regardless of their heights.
Even if the walls have different composites (fills) there is no end line which in my opinion is a bug.
There is a setting that allows you to turn the end lines on or off but it makes no difference when the reference lines are in line.
Barry.

Re: wall ends not showing

Erich — Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:21:07 GMT

If the middle wall is on a layer with a different layer priority the wall ends will show. Sometimes this is a useful trick, other times not so much.

Re: wall ends not showing

Anonymous — Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:48:40 GMT

thanks guys, it does seem like it should be an option.
H

Re: wall ends not showing

Anonymous — Thu, 31 Oct 2013 20:38:13 GMT

Just make it so the reference lines do not line up (put the middle wall on the opposite side or a little bit inside the wall).

Re: wall ends not showing

Anonymous — Fri, 01 Nov 2013 00:29:04 GMT

that's what i'll do when i can, but it sure would be nice to have the option built in.
H

Re: wall ends not showing

Anonymous — Fri, 01 Nov 2013 12:25:29 GMT

Agreed

Re: wall ends not showing

Anonymous — Sat, 02 Nov 2013 03:14:38 GMT

I have a separate layer for walls that are not full height as i do not want them showing on my reflected ceiling plans, this layer has different priority so I get wall end lines.
If I have a step in low walls I change side of insertion line so they don't join

Re: wall ends not showing

canvea — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 07:27:23 GMT

I have the same issue, but in 2020. I would like there to be a line where the walls have different heights without changing the layer or reference line of the walls. Is this still not possible?

Re: wall ends not showing

Lingwisyer — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 08:12:13 GMT

Doubt your issue is the same unless you are using some ancient version of AC. Please post some images of your situation.

Ling.

Re: wall ends not showing

canvea — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 08:53:24 GMT

Lingwisyer wrote:
Doubt your issue is the same unless you are using some ancient version of AC. Please post some images of your situation.

I am using AC23, and the walls still show up as one wall, without lines. Of course I could flip the reference line etc, as previously discussed, but I would really prefer not to. See attached images.

Re: wall ends not showing

Anonymous — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 09:26:08 GMT

Did you check if your Floor Plan Cut Plan (FPCP) is too low that it is cutting all segments?
But in this situation, I use empty Windows or Openings, in a single Wall.
Hope this helps.

Re: wall ends not showing

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 17:21:35 GMT

Make sure you have the "Projected" Floor Plan Display option selected for the Walls. If it is set to "Symbolic Cut" you will not see a difference in 2D representation.
Or, as Braza suggested, create the desired Wall geometry by placing empty Window elements or Opening elements into the Wall, both of which will modify the 2D of the Wall accordingly.

Re: wall ends not showing

canvea — Fri, 09 Oct 2020 08:20:32 GMT

Braza wrote:
Did you check if your Floor Plan Cut Plan (FPCP) is too low that it is cutting all segments?

You might be right that they were too tall in the previously attached image (I just drew it quickly to illustrate), but it still happens when the walls are way below the FPCP.

Braza wrote:
But in this situation, I use empty Windows or Openings, in a single Wall.

Yeah, I could do that.. But I find it hard to accept that I need a workaround to display the walls correctly. I use the walls as a base for a curtain wall that follows the terrain in segments, it doesn't make sense to use window-openings for these small increments.

LaszloNagy wrote:
Make sure you have the "Projected" Floor Plan Display option selected for the Walls. If it is set to "Symbolic Cut" you will not see a difference in 2D representation.

It is set to Projected.

Re: wall ends not showing

Anonymous — Fri, 09 Oct 2020 09:33:45 GMT

canvea wrote:
I use the walls as a base for a curtain wall that follows the terrain in segments, it doesn't make sense to use window-openings for these small increments.

Fair enough... If you don't mind loosing your wall fill, you could set the lowest wall Floor Plan Display to "Overhead All" and set its projection line to continuous. Yes its dirty...
Hope this helps.