topic Re: merge fills in Modeling

merge fills

Anonymous — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:56:33 GMT

hi all I change elevation from 3d to 2d(draw)
how can I merge fills witch has same properties in one single fill ?

Re: merge fills

Anonymous — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:13:26 GMT

Edit > Reshape > Fill Consolidation....

Re: merge fills

Djordje — Thu, 29 Dec 2011 08:24:43 GMT

and try to NEVER turn the elevations into the 2D drawings ...

Re: merge fills

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:29:54 GMT

Djordje wrote:
and try to NEVER turn the elevations into the 2D drawings ...

I use many times copy/paste to transform elevations and sections into 2D drawings, which contains lots of fills, polylines, etc. Then Edit-Reshape-Fill/Linework Consolidation, to reduce number of lines and fills.

For a perfect section/elevation, plans must be draw correctly, and height between the stories must be also set perfectly. I'm not an Archicad expert, and I think much people use this commands.

Why it's recommended or, why not it's recommended to use Fill/Linework Consolidation every time on a section/elevation?
Thanks in advance.

Re: merge fills

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 02:05:35 GMT

Why not a just "Add surfaces" like vectorwork?

Just thinking...

Re: merge fills

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:48:32 GMT

Emyl001 wrote:
Why it's recommended or, why not it's recommended to use Fill/Linework Consolidation every time on a section/elevation?
Thanks in advance.

As recently as 18 months ago, we were using this method (turning the elevations and sections into lines and fills) and using linework and fill consolidation. Our drawings were 2D. Since investing some time and effort into going 3D, we've managed to put together (IMO) excellent elevations and sections that are 95% 3D.

Going to "live" 3D drawings are definitely the way to go. It takes a bit of learning but pays dividends. This is, after all, a 3D program.

Re: merge fills

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:25:16 GMT

Djordje wrote:
and try to NEVER turn the elevations into the 2D drawings ...

second

Re: merge fills

Anonymous — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:18:25 GMT

thank you all

Re: merge fills

Anonymous — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:52:20 GMT

Steven wrote:
Emyl001 wrote:
Why it's recommended or, why not it's recommended to use Fill/Linework Consolidation every time on a section/elevation?
Thanks in advance.

Going to "live" 3D drawings are definitely the way to go. It takes a bit of learning but pays dividends. This is, after all, a 3D program.

As long as these commands will exist in future versions of archicad, much people will continue to use these commands (my personal opinion).

I work in AC for more than 4 years (more for some people, less for other), and I still not be able to do a perfect 3D section/elevation. I must say that it will take (much) time for a program to become "a full 3D program", where all drawings will be modeled directly in 3D.

Re: merge fills

Anonymous — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 13:39:17 GMT

Emyl001 wrote:
I work in AC for more than 4 years (more for some people, less for other), and I still not be able to do a perfect 3D section/elevation. I must say that it will take (much) time for a program to become "a full 3D program", where all drawings will be modeled directly in 3D.

It is not feasible to have all drawings 3D. My 1 1/2" details and larger are drawn using the 3D model as a base, but as full 2D details. It just wouldn't be efficient to model every piece of a building. I also add 2D information to floorplans. That being said, all our sections and elevations are 95% 3D, and I have gotten to this point in less than 6 months. The 3D building looks great, clients love it. We've left out more information in the building sections than we would if we were drawing 2D, but it's not necessary to show all that information at that scale anyway. The devil is in the 2D details, which we can easily transfer from one job to the next.

Use the profile manager and complex profiles and SEO's and you can make just about anything. We are a firm who does a lot of very detailed residential work and our drawings look fine.

"Practice makes perfect..."

Re: merge fills

Anonymous — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:57:09 GMT

For me it's easier to transform section/elevation form 3D to 2D, and to complete the drawing in 2D (add new hatches, lines, description, finishes). In firm where I work for, don't put too much value on section/elevation 3D.
Rarely I saved a few pictures from a 3D building.

I forgot to say that I'm working in AC 11.

Re: merge fills

Anonymous — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:49:59 GMT

...and HAPPY NEW YEAR FOR ALL...

Re: merge fills

Steve Jepson — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:38:58 GMT

Krippahl wrote:
Djordje wrote:
and try to NEVER turn the elevations into the 2D drawings ...
second

third ! It is never necessary or helpful.

Re: merge fills

Eduardo Rolon — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:47:28 GMT

Steve wrote:
Krippahl wrote:
Djordje wrote:
and try to NEVER turn the elevations into the 2D drawings ...
second
third ! It is never necessary or helpful.

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Rod Jurich

Rod Jurich — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 02:01:23 GMT

ejrolon wrote:
Steve wrote:
Krippahl wrote:
second
third ! It is never necessary or helpful.
fourth

.............. 5th

Re: merge fills

Anonymous — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:39:55 GMT

................... 6th

Re: merge fills

Laszlo Nagy — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 11:33:51 GMT

7th.
Turning 3D into 2D makes you lose advantages of BIM.

Re: merge fills

Anonymous — Thu, 05 Jan 2012 18:40:32 GMT

People do this (I used to as well) because it seems like it is easier, and most people start out learning 2D, and that's what they stick with. It takes some time to learn how to get 3D drawings to look good like a 2D drawing can, but like I said before, it is definitely worth it. We put in the time and it's paying off. I also think you have to go 3D just to be competitive. A lot of firms now are, and in a few years, a lot more will be.

If a client wants a 3D model with fly-throughs and renderings, you'll be S.O.L.

Re: merge fills

Anonymous — Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:57:32 GMT

Steven wrote:

If a client wants a 3D model with fly-throughs and renderings, you'll be S.O.L.

What is S.O.L.?
It's abbreviation for something?

Re: merge fills

Anonymous — Fri, 06 Jan 2012 13:24:53 GMT

Yes, sorry, a slightly crude American abbreviation meaning you're "out of luck".

"Google" it.