topic Re: Stair "Draining" display in plan in Modeling

Stair "Draining" display in plan

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2023 14:36:46 GMT

Is it possible to display Stair's "Draining" in a plan-view?

I have a stair where I have activated "Draining" for both the Flight and the Landing. It shows nicely in the 3D, but I can't figure out where to turn on its visibility in plan, or where to find any display controls for it.

In the 2D-plan, the risers extend all the way to the edge.

Any ideas? Or any ideas how to model such stair with other method? Ideally within the Stair tool...

Re: Stair "Draining" display in plan

Christophe Fortineau — Wed, 04 Nov 2020 17:43:32 GMT

Hello mdl,

Did you check your Model View Options about stairs ?

Re: Stair "Draining" display in plan

Jp1138 — Wed, 04 Nov 2020 17:51:34 GMT

You can change the visibility in Model View Options

Edit: Oops, I didn´t see Christophe´s answer as I hadn´t refreshed the page in a while

Re: Stair "Draining" display in plan

Anonymous — Wed, 04 Nov 2020 18:16:32 GMT

Thanks for the replies, I have tried to change it in the MVO. It is a step forward, but it doesn't "really" do the trick for me.

It's still not visible in my particular Stair. Or at least not until i turn on the Stair's "Finish". And even then it's only visible up until the Break Line and above that, the Risers continue all the way to the edge.

Re: Stair "Draining" display in plan

Christophe Fortineau — Wed, 04 Nov 2020 18:20:04 GMT

Mbl,

Did you modify or lock MVO inside your stairs ?

Re: Stair "Draining" display in plan

Anonymous — Wed, 04 Nov 2020 18:29:26 GMT

Yes, the Stair's Floor Plan Display / Floor Plan Symbol Components are set to "by Model View Options".

And in the MVO, I only have the option to show the Draining on the "Visible" parts, not "Visible and Overhead".
That's why I am not sure if it even is possible to display it above the Break Mark.

Re: Stair "Draining" display in plan

Minh Nguyen — Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:55:31 GMT

mbl wrote:
Yes, the Stair's Floor Plan Display / Floor Plan Symbol Components are set to "by Model View Options".

And in the MVO, I only have the option to show the Draining on the "Visible" parts, not "Visible and Overhead".
That's why I am not sure if it even is possible to display it above the Break Mark.

Hello,

Thank you for the question!

The reason why Visible and Hidden parts is not available for Structure - Monolithic Draining is because Structure - Monolithic is set to Visible Parts only. I attached a screenshot about this.

Currently there is a defect with how the draining is displayed without finishing. We already noticed that, but fixing this issue would require a big project to change how we draw the stair in floor plan. The only workaround here is to add Finish to the current stair, then put 0 thickness into the dimension of the treads' and risers' finish.

I hope this answers your question. Please let me know if you have any further issues!

Best regards,
Minh

Re: Stair "Draining" display in plan

Anonymous — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 09:19:17 GMT

Thank you Minh! Yes, turning on the Finish on both Riser and Tread and then changing the MVO like you suggested, does show the Draining.

The only difference is that I am not able to choose "0" as the Finish thickness, the closest I get is "0,1" mm (in v.22).
And I also end up with 2 lines 0,1mm apart at the meeting of Flight and Landing. Which is not ideal, but still better than not seeing the Draining at all.

Re: Stair "Draining" display in plan

Minh Nguyen — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 12:39:51 GMT

Hello,

Thank you for the feedback!

For some reason, I was able to set the thickness down to 0 on AC22, 23 and 24, therefore there was no double line in floor plan. Maybe there's another hidden setting somewhere? If you have the time I would be very happy to have a look at your file.

Best regards,
Minh

Re: Stair "Draining" display in plan

Anonymous — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 14:29:34 GMT

The Finish thickness is in fact for me 0,1 mm. Or it seems to be 0, but when I change my Working Units to show 1 decimal for the Length Unit, then it even shows in the Stair Settings as 0,1 mm. And when I try to put it to "0", it just changes to "0,1".

And also the double line, I think you don't see it because you have your Background Fill set to "-1" in the Floor Plan Display / Grid Structure. If you change it to "0" - transparent, you'll see the double line. Or at least that's how it works for me.

I mean it's not a big deal for me right now, but it's good to know how it works so I can work around it.

Re: Stair "Draining" display in plan

Minh Nguyen — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 14:40:48 GMT

Hello,

Thank you for pointing it out to me! I forgot that the default template set Working Unit to 0 digit, that's why 0.1mm shows as 0 to me.

Regarding the double line, I tried again and found that the Tread's Finish Extension, by default, is set at 15mm. If you set it to 0, no double line should appear on the stair. I attached a screenshot of this parameter.

Hope this helps!

Best regards,
Minh

Re: Stair "Draining" display in plan

Anonymous — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 14:52:16 GMT

For me it seems to be the "Riser Thickness" that is showing on plan.
But I have only tried it in 22, maybe it works better in newer versions.