topic Arcs selection became so annoing in Modeling

Arcs selection became so annoing

Anonymous — Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:04:56 GMT

Hello
I'm not sure since which version of AC developers made this change. I skipped AC17 and AC18. Before (at least in AC16) it was not necessary to include arc center in selection frame to select an arc with entire element selection method. But now (in AC19 and AC20) if arc center is not in selection frame arc wont be selected. Оn the other hand with partial elements selection method now I can easily select an arc which is even out of view if it center gets to selection frame. And it's so so annoying! And it's not just me, all my coworkers confirmed this change is less convenient.
I captured a video just to show an example of how it could interrupt workflow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1jPdHvf7f4&feature=youtu.be
At the beginning I showed how some arcs didn't selected when expected, and in second half of the video how arcs with big radius could easily be selected by accident.
So my question is: is it a bug or a feature? Or maybe there is any way to setup AC to behave like before?

Re: Arcs selection became so annoing

Anonymous — Thu, 11 Aug 2016 21:33:33 GMT

Yes, it is annoying. If the whole arc segment is within the selection area it should be selected, regardless of where the centre point is. I also think the same should be true for fills; when fill handles are used you have to include the handle in the selection area. This is dependant on fill handle visibility in On-Screen View Options too. Easy to miss.

Re: Arcs selection became so annoing

sinceV6 — Fri, 12 Aug 2016 00:25:07 GMT

Hi.
I think this should be considered a bug if it isn't.

In the meantime, you could use either partial elements or direction dependent selection methods and arcs will get selected.

Best regards.

Re: Arcs selection became so annoing

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Aug 2016 09:17:31 GMT

sinceV6 wrote:
Hi.
In the meantime, you could use either partial elements or direction dependent selection methods and arcs will get selected.

In fact I use direction dependent selection. It's quite unusable to use partial element selection when arcs are situated in complicated drawing on other elements.

s2art wrote:
I also think the same should be true for fills; when fill handles are used you have to include the handle in the selection area. This is dependant on fill handle visibility in On-Screen View Options too.

True. Didn't noticed because I almost never turning on fills handles visibility. But since I just tried to turn it on I have to confirm that it's not right that you can't select fill until you include handles in selection frame.

So maybe this facts should be reported as a bug, or Graphisoft team members read this thread anyway?

Re: Arcs selection became so annoing

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Aug 2016 15:13:18 GMT

Also another bug, that drives me nuts related to arcs is when some arcs intersects with line with farther end instead of closest as expected. Filmed another video for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jrp0Rsdms8

Re: Arcs selection became so annoing

Katalin Borszeki — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:45:55 GMT

Hi All,
I have tried to reproduce this issue in ARCHICAD 20 with the latest build, and with the selection area method, the arc is selected even if the arc center is not selected. Are you still getting this problem? Thanks, k

Re: Arcs selection became so annoing

DGSketcher — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 21:59:16 GMT

AC 20 UKI Build 3016

Fills are selected with distorted fill lines beyond the "entire element" selection area.

Arcs are not selected if the centre point is outside the "entire element" selection area.

It is also possible to select an arc with the "Partial Selection" method by only including the centre point in the selection area.

Re: Arcs selection became so annoing

Barry Kelly — Fri, 19 Aug 2016 01:29:31 GMT

KatalinBorszeki wrote:
Hi All,
I have tried to reproduce this issue in ARCHICAD 20 with the latest build, and with the selection area method, the arc is selected even if the arc center is not selected. Are you still getting this problem? Thanks, k

Partial selection is working fine - even though it can be annoying when you select a centre point without realizing.

It is the entire selection is the problem - especially with very short but large radius arcs.
The centre may be off the screen or some distance away so if not included in the selection area will not allow the arc to be selected.
Logical I guess but annoying.

Personally I just SHIFT click on the arc to add it to the selection.

The change happened back in version 18.
In 17 and before the centre of the arc was basically ignored in partial and entire selections.

Barry.

Re: Arcs selection became so annoing

Anonymous — Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:35:17 GMT

Recently updated AC20. The issue is still here. With partial selection I can accidentally select arc center even if arc is out of view, with entire selection arc can't be selected if it's center is outside of selection.

Re: Arcs selection became so annoing

Eduardo Rolon — Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:12:54 GMT

Also happen with Doors in plan. If the windowed selection includes the wall but it does not include the "open" door then it will not select.

Re: Arcs selection became so annoing

Katalin Borszeki — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:37:35 GMT

Hi All,
We discussed this with our designers and its been added to the developer database as a regression bug with the ID #218859. This will be handled as a part of a bigger project, we are planning the function to return to the ARCHICAD 17 behavious, soon. Best, k

Re: Arcs selection became so annoing

Anonymous — Mon, 02 Jan 2017 17:49:52 GMT

KatalinBorszeki wrote:
Hi All,
We discussed this with our designers and its been added to the developer database as a regression bug with the ID #218859. This will be handled as a part of a bigger project, we are planning the function to return to the ARCHICAD 17 behavious, soon. Best, k

Ii's very importante if you solve this problema. Very Important.