topic Re: door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly. in Modeling

door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly.

rob2218 — Wed, 24 May 2023 06:55:28 GMT

door and wall materials (surfaces) not lining up properly.
GS....please advise.

Re: door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly.

Barry Kelly — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:52:53 GMT

I guess it depends on how the objects (doors) are scripted.

I know it is possible to allow the materials on objects to be aligned so maybe your door objects have a parameter to adjust the material origin.

Or it may be hard coded in the object to always set the material out from say the centre of the object and you have now control over it. You will know this is the case if you move the door slightly and the material moves with it.

If the material stay put and the door moves then I would say the material (surface in 18) on the wall has been repositioned.
In the DESIGN menu you will find "Align 3D texture".
Try to "Reset" it and if that does nothing then you can adjust it to suit your doors.

My own custom door objects work fine and I know I didn't script anything into them to adjust the material position (see attached image).
They automatically show the material linked to the drawing origin - so as I move the door the material hatch pattern stays put.

I'm guessing the Graphisoft doors are scripted so the material is always set out from the centre of the door so it always stays symetrical even when moving the door.
So you will have to align the wall texture to suit.

Barry.

Re: door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly.

rob2218 — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 02:27:25 GMT

Barry,
here was one other question I had.
Even in your simple example....the door you show hinged is showing the hinge on the wrong side.
the "hinge point" on ANY door is the tip of the arrow head if you will.
that's conventional drafting. you always show the hinge of the door in elevation where the two diagonal lines meet.

I know some of these doors are wonky that way where the hinge is flipped or mirrored to where it is in plan, hence you can never show the door hinge in elevation, which is at times needed.

Re: door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly.

rob2218 — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 02:34:12 GMT

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Re: door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly.

Anonymous — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 02:52:36 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
Barry,
here was one other question I had.
Even in your simple example....the door you show hinged is showing the hinge on the wrong side.
the "hinge point" on ANY door is the tip of the arrow head if you will.
that's conventional drafting. you always show the hinge of the door in elevation where the two diagonal lines meet.

That is just the Australian drafting convention.

Re: door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly.

rob2218 — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 03:03:33 GMT

really? In "down under" the hinge on the door graphics is opposite as the U.S.? cool.

Re: door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly.

Barry Kelly — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 04:02:13 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
really? In "down under" the hinge on the door graphics is opposite as the U.S.? cool.

Yep - seems logical to me.
2 hinges and one handle.

Barry.

Re: door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly.

Barry Kelly — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 04:07:21 GMT

Rob,
From your images it looks like the material is centred to you door so I am guessing it has been coded that way.
If there is no option in the door parameters (and I would doubt there would be) then you will have to adjust the wall texture (an hope you only have on door in each wall otherwise you probably won't get it to match 2 or more doors at once).

Select the wall and view in 3D then DESIGN menu > Align 3D texture > Set Origin.

Barry.

Re: door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly.

Anonymous — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 19:27:47 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
really? In "down under" the hinge on the door graphics is opposite as the U.S.? cool.

Not all of it. In NZ we do it the right way

Re: door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly.

rob2218 — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 15:38:16 GMT

I think we (the U.S.) has it wrong and you guys down under have it right....after studying the "door diagram" as to where the 'hinge side' SHOULD go. I say we revamp our entire U.S. graphic guideline.....oh, no, wait...we tried the metric system implementation when I was in elementary school (45 years ago) and it flopped......oh well, it was, forward and onward.

s2art wrote:
rob2218 wrote:
really? In "down under" the hinge on the door graphics is opposite as the U.S.? cool.
Not all of it. In NZ we do it the right way

Re: door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly.

Eduardo Rolon — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 15:58:03 GMT

All US does it like that.

They way I learned how to draw it about 30 years ago was that it was the opposite of connecting the hinges to the handle and that is the way I teach it at the University.

Re: door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly.

rob2218 — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:21:35 GMT

So...do you point the arrow head "to" the hinges or point the arrow head "away" from the hinge side?
Just curious.
I mean....it does make sense to show the three points of connection (the door knob, the top hinge and the bottom hinge) as the diagram how the "down under" folk do it....but I too was taught for over 25 years that on a door "dashed line" opening diagram in elevation, the larger, open edge is the where the door know is and the arrow head (where the two dashed lines meet) is where the hinges are.......

Again..in Germany, side to side means "NO" and nodding ones head up and down means "yes".....so go figure.

ejrolon wrote:
All US does it like that.

They way I learned how to draw it about 30 years ago was that it was the opposite of connecting the hinges to the handle and that is the way I teach it at the University.

Re: door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly.

Eduardo Rolon — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:24:32 GMT

arrow head to hinges

Re: door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly.

rob2218 — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 19:07:12 GMT

YES....that's how I was taught traditionally as well. Though...the folks down under have a good point though in reversing the graphics.

Reminds me of a story once.
Worked for an architect in San Diego.
He SWORE up and down that his whole life he indicated door tags as "hexagons" and window tags as "circles". I tried to explain it to him that he has drawn them this way his WHOLE (55+ years) life and that he never has seen them with doors as cirlces and window tags as hex's.

He said that when I switched the shape of the tag on him...it 'threw him off" and that he wanted to see doors as "hex tags" and windows as "circle tags".......we argued for a while, back and forth until I had to bring out the heavy artillery...."The Architectural Graphics Standards"...i.e. the bible of the how you graphically represent something in architecture.....and low and behold...I was right. Circles for for door tags, hex's for window tags.

When I pointed this out to him, he looked at, made a noise....something like...."huh...how bout that"......and he proceeded to state to me..."Remember Golden rule Rob, 'He who has the Gold Rules'......needless to say, for all that particular architects work, the door and window tags symbols was....well, completely the opposite, BASS-ACKWARDS if you will of what the entire U.S. standards were....

Lesson learned: if the man who's paying says....I want my door tag symbols to look like fish shapes......then by gosh darn it...fish shapes is what YE shall have.

Re: door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly.

Eduardo Rolon — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 19:13:23 GMT

4th year architectural school

Re: door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly.

rob2218 — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 20:18:10 GMT

you done good sir......keep settin' them youngens straight.

Re: door wall materials (surfaces) not lining up correctly.

Eduardo Rolon — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 20:29:54 GMT

That one is mine which I sometimes use as an example of what I expect from them.