topic Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds in Modeling

Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Anonymous — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 15:45:13 GMT

How do you enter meets and bounds for site plan? I have a hand drawn survey and want to enter it into AC9.

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Scott Bulmer — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 16:06:28 GMT

In Project Preferences>Working Units & Levels select 'Surveyor's Unit' under Angle Unit. When drawing your boundary lines start the line from know endpoint, enter 'R' distance & 'A' angle in Surveyor's Units.
That should work.
Scott

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

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Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:13:29 GMT

Do you guys know if there is a way to set Project North?

Or is there such a thing?

I want my building to sit a certain way on my screen and my site lines to lay the way they should in relation to the house.

I can just draw up the property lines and then raotate it to sit correctly with my house. I was just wondering if there was a "correct" way to do this.

~~Thanks~~

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Scott Bulmer — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:19:09 GMT

View > 3D View Mode > Project Settings > More Sun ...Project North
I think. Let me know if there is another way.

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:20:13 GMT

Also, when I use surveyors units it doesn't seem to send my lines at the angle I type in, it just goes to where ever my mouse is.

Before I read this and I was using the degrees minutes seconds for units and it was giving me angles, still not correctly really though, but I might just be putting them in wrong.

also- what s the format I should be inputting?

I have been doing DEGREE space X'X"

Right?

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Scott Bulmer — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:26:18 GMT

I think you need to turn on your tracker for the angle entry to work properly, not sure.

I haven't done this in a while, but think either a space or minus sign as separators should be fine when entering surveyors units.

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:55:02 GMT

My tracker was on to enter anlges,

But ALL OF A SUDDEN! i am getting an option for the NSEW directions in the angle input options in the tracker now.
Weird.
Still dont think it is working right though.

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:42:25 GMT

Jess

For boundary angles, guide your cursor parallel to north, hit A (for angle) enter the value, hit - (minus) then ENTER. You can enter angles with spaces between degrees, minutes and seconds. eg. 120 16 55 = 120deg 16' 55"

You can do this before or after D or R for length of boundary.

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:52:37 GMT

s2art wrote:
Jess

For boundary angles, guide your cursor parallel to north, hit A (for angle) enter the value, hit - (minus) then ENTER. You can enter angles with spaces between degrees, minutes and seconds. eg. 120 16 55 = 120deg 16' 55"

You can do this before or after D or R for length of boundary.

Running my cursor parallell to North ..... is that going to set my North?
Or what is that for?

And then when I enter the coordinates like you said- should I have my units set at "Surveyor's" or "Degrees Minutes Seconds"?
And do you knwo how I got the Angle to say " S10 30' 57"E "
?? And to let me type it in that way- and is that teh way I want to do it?

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:58:16 GMT

Hi Jess,

Sorry, I was unclear.

When you have picked the first endpoint of your boundary, move your cursor in the direction of North (this does not set north, you must know where North is!). By entering "A 45- ENTER" you are saying you want to go 45degrees anti-clockwise (as angles are normally measured clockwise by AC, but anti-clockwise in the real world).

Not sure about your angle co-ordinates. If I check Surveyors Units or Degrees, minutes, seconds I get the same thing here.

Does this make more sense?

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:33:42 GMT

So-

If my North Arrow Points 45°

And I have this :

S 9° 04' 24" E and a distance of 150.22'

I am going to set my cursor at 45°
Type -9° for my Angle
Type 150.22' For my Distance

And I dont have to do anything with the South, East, 04', or 24"

And when I do this I leave my Angle Units at default, just degrees or what ever they are I mean?

If I am not correct here agin, Pardon, I Feel like I am reading Chineese here for some reason.
I did one of tehse a couple months ago and it went fine, I dont knwo what my problem is.
~~Thanks~~

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:21:39 GMT

Jesikuh123 wrote:
So-

If my North Arrow Points 45°

And I have this :

S 9° 04' 24" E and a distance of 150.22'

I am going to set my cursor at 45°
Type -9° for my Angle

After starting the line move your cursor in direction of north, in your case 45°, hit "A" input the angle, hit the MINUS key, then hit enter.

Jesikuh123 wrote:
Type 150.22' For my Distance

And I dont have to do anything with the South, East, 04', or 24"

And when I do this I leave my Angle Units at default, just degrees or what ever they are I mean?

If I am not correct here agin, Pardon, I Feel like I am reading Chineese here for some reason.

Must be my accent

Not sure what S 9° 04' 24" E means. You may need to rely on advice from someone who speaks the same survey language. The way we show boundaries here is just an angle relative to north, north being 0°. Can you give me a diagram of what your co-ordinate means?

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:38:46 GMT

Jesikuh123 wrote:
And I have this :

S 9° 04' 24" E and a distance of 150.22'

It's really easy. With the tracker on, and the proper preferences for angles set up, you simply start typing:

150.22 [distance entry]
tab-key [to get into angle entry]
S 9 04 24 E
enter-key

This will indeed be relative to project north, and you now know how to set that in the Sun Settings dialog.

Karl

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:39:56 GMT

Tracker appearance in this screenshot (garbage values).

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Anonymous — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:52:21 GMT

Just keep in mind that "S 24 13 55 E" is the same as "N 24 13 55 W" only in the opposite direction. Some surveyors aren't very particular about this and I have seen drawings where the orientations are not consistent. I once entered a whole string of metes and bounds (which even closed nicely) and discovered north was 180° from where it was supposed to be.

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Anonymous — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:54:24 GMT

Thanks Karl & Matthew for chiming in. And stuart for all the time you always spend helping other here.

S 9d 04' 24" E Means that the lines orientation is east of South (or West of North as Matthew stated, you need to know the close to north direction) 9-degrees, 4 minutes and 24 seconds. As most know there are 360 degrees in a circle. there are 60 minutes in a degree and 60 seconds in a minute.

I set my project north in the sun angle and then enter my data similar to Karl. I di not know that spaces worked, I had been typing S9d4'24"E.

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Pete — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:36:22 GMT

Not only do spaces work, but if there are zeros, you can skip them, ie. n40 30w works if seconds are 0.

Karl showed the setting for surveyor angle units. It is also helpful to change the distance units to decimal feet with 2 decimal places ie. 123.45' so you can easily check your work (entering 123.45 still works if units are fractional however).

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Anonymous — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:05:29 GMT

Jay wrote:
S 9d 04' 24" E Means that the lines orientation is east of South (or West of North as Matthew stated, you need to know the close to north direction) 9-degrees, 4 minutes and 24 seconds. As most know there are 360 degrees in a circle. there are 60 minutes in a degree and 60 seconds in a minute.

Thanks, Jay (and Matthew) for the explanation.

I'm glad, though, that we just show everything relative to north (eg. 270degrees = west). You're all mad, you lot, with your crazy imperial dimensions and "east of south" bearings. Do you think America will ever go metric?

Re: Site Plan- Meets and Bounds

Anonymous — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:32:43 GMT

Woe.
So after all that, and thank you so much, I tried everything you guys said.

If I have my survey rotated so that it sits correctly with the way I want my building on my screen to draw it, it sets North at 280.78°.

So thats fine, its upside down basically.

So I put my Project North at that angle in my sun settings.
- Is that supposed to relate to entering my meest and bounds? Or just for rendering purposes?

Once I have done that, the property lines go different directions.
I have a line that is supposed to be
N 82° 04' 01" W
when I type that in it does not go in that direction.
When I line my line up over hwere it should be headed it says it is at about
S 82° 04' 01" W
So....

After all this, I have discovered how I made this all work the last time I did it a couple months ago.
And that is to rotate my survey so that the North arrow points to 90°.
If I do this, then all my directionals go in the correct direction, and the site closes like it is supposed to.
Then I just have to rotate it to sit where it should according to the building.

So, I guess I am back to my original question, which is: Is this right?
It doesn't sound like this is what you guys have to do.
What else could I be doing wrong?
I can work with this, and the rotating or what ever. But, if there is a right way to do something, and a not right way, I should probably learn the right way.

Also, an engineer is sending us a digital file, so I dont need to do this anyway, I guess. But, now IT IS DRVING ME CRAZY AND I WANT TO KNOW HOW!