topic Re: Corner Wall intersection. in Modeling

Corner Wall intersection.

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:56:44 GMT

Hi guys, traditionally when faced with an intersection like this I have applied a small fill over top... Can anyone recommend an improved way of dealing with this corner join?

(Picture shows an internal wall joining a cavity wall on the corner).

Im thinking perhaps the wallend tool might be usefull in a case like this?

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 02:46:09 GMT

I would use the Patch tool; do it once and its a library part available for every instance of this condition.

woodster

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 02:50:05 GMT

Patch tool? What patch tool?

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

Link — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:16:16 GMT

Can you get away with simply turning the wall end off?

What wall ends you say? Wall Settings dialog.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:18:10 GMT

Nefarious wrote:
Patch tool? What patch tool?

Go to Help/ArchiCAD Help
Click on the Search tab
Type in Patch

Go to the first topic "Create Patch"

WOODSTER

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

__archiben — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:18:46 GMT

woodster wrote:
I would use the Patch tool; do it once and its a library part available for every instance of this condition.

ooo! woodster's a patcher! (i won't tell )

~/archiben

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:23:16 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
ooo! woodster's a patcher! (i won't tell )

The woodster is a Patch Tool advocate... one of the most under-used misunderstood tools in the arsenal. For example, it's great for details and as library parts they are easily organised and present the user with a preview when looking for them.

It's fast and efficient!

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:32:58 GMT

Considering the software doesnt "fix up" those intersections it comes in bloody handy...

The only other solution I have discovered is to create an upside down composite... when you do that, it will clean up those intersection (however it becomes weird placing the wall as the reference side will now be on the wrong side)....

I wish there was a feature to "Flip" the wall... So the wall stays in the same place, but the reference side moves.....

I would hate to consider the results that such a feature would create... but it woudl be interesting, considering V9 already cleans up wall that touch the inside of a composite without taking it all the way through to the reference side...

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

Link — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:33:12 GMT

I don't want to appear like I am passing you a shovel to dig that hole any deeper Woody, but are you going to try and convince us that fragments are our best friend too?

I must admit, I am surprised! What appeals to you most Woody? Is there something we don't know?

Maybe you convert me from a masker to a patcher?

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:35:03 GMT

Looks like I've stirred up a hornets nest hehe

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 04:47:34 GMT

Flipping a wall in Archicad.....that should be a wish on the wishlist.... of course it would be copying Revit.....

Revit has little arrows you can click to move stuff around or side to side, doors, walls, windows, etc.....

The only way I can figure on doing it in Archicad is mirroring it.....

As for the intersections, that is a pain to have that line when you have a wall intersecting another wall of different height or base elevation.

I will have to try searching for that "patch" as well...

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

Djordje — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:19:31 GMT

MPatrick wrote:
Flipping a wall in Archicad.....that should be a wish on the wishlist.... of course it would be copying Revit.....

Considering that this thing is around since 6.5, hardly ...

Just do your studying proprly, guys. If you don't know that soemthing exists, that does not mean it does not.

No, I am not going to tell you where it is. As Woddy The Patch 😉 says, Help is your best friend.

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

Barry Kelly — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:06:26 GMT

Nefarious wrote:
I wish there was a feature to "Flip" the wall... So the wall stays in the same place, but the reference side moves.....

It's already there.
In the TOOLS menu > MODIFY WALL > REFERENCE LINE

Barry.

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:04:52 GMT

Can sombody show some pictures, wahts going on?
One picture can help better than thousand words...

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:32:19 GMT

Link wrote:
I don't want to appear like I am passing you a shovel to dig that hole any deeper Woody, but are you going to try and convince us that fragments are our best friend too?

First, yes, fragments are our friends. Fragments, for example, enable us to have a 2D symbol increase in level of detail as the scale increases. Fragments give us lots of ways to represent an object under differing circumstances; error messages like Invalid Parameters are made possible by Fragments.

Now, back to patches, let's talk about the simplest case first; how much time has Nefarious (and Nafarious I am NOT singling out you; many, many users do this) wasted trying to get this to work? It is not going to work. Further he's going to run into this condition many times in this project; is he supposed to waste more time playing around with fills every time he comes across it? No. Make a patch once, move on and get the project done.

Two, (another example) like to represent below ground walls as dashed lines in elevations? Trace the ground plane with the Marque tool and enclose the rest of the foundation within the fence
Create a patch
Open said patch
Select all the lines
Change them to dashed lines
Save the changes
DONE!

I can actually do this in ArchiCAD in a shorter period of time than it took me to type these instructions The foundation changes? So what? this is so fast it really doesn't matter.

Next, consider the advantages of using Patches in detailing. By the way, I've got a bunch of wishes attached to this concept as well — like consider how powerful this would be if annotation tools and objects were available while working on a Library part (there are some work arounds here too).
Library parts can be organized in folders and the parts themselves are small — Patches are parts. So one could have a folder for Sill Details, for example. When one is looking for a Sill detail, they go to the Object dialogue box and get little thumbnails of all the available sill details; very COOL.

As I originally said... stop thinking of the Patch tool as a work around and you will think of lots of very powerful applications! These are just a small number of the possibilities.

THE woodster

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

__archiben — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:48:53 GMT

Nefarious wrote:
I wish there was a feature to "Flip" the wall... So the wall stays in the same place, but the reference side moves.....

there is! Edit>Modify Wall...

~/archiben

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:25:26 GMT

Found out about the modify wall under tools just after I posted my previous wish....oops..... It would still be nice if it was like Revit though, I like when I can use the keyboard or just do everything from within the model window.....hate pulldowns.....

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:30:26 GMT

But flipping the wall really does not solve the original problem being discussed here

woodster

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:37:03 GMT

Sorry Woodster, Nefarious mentioned about wanting to flip a wall.....besides the intersection problem...... I was going to post a pic from Revit, but I decided not to (use Revit at day job, lost bid to get Archicad)

Nefarious,
Sometimes when I have wall intersections that dont work properly, I intersect the problem wall with a different one, then connect the third wall. Sometimes that helps them join properly....

Re: Corner Wall intersection.

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:45:49 GMT

MPatrick wrote:
Sorry Woodster, Nefarious mentioned about wanting to flip a wall.....besides the intersection problem...... I was going to post a pic from Revit, but I decided not to (use Revit at day job, lost bid to get Archicad)

Interesting So you use Revit at work but ArchiCAD on your own jobs?

Woody