topic Re: A project done with AC19 in Modeling

A project done with AC19

Mats_Knutsson — Wed, 25 Nov 2020 07:17:38 GMT

Very rare that we get attention on Archdaily but here is a pretty nice and complex AC19 project that had it's inauguration a few weeks ago. https://www.archdaily.com/951719/house-of-knowledge-education-center-liljewall
Don't know where to post actual projects on the forum so admin please delete if inappropriate.

Re: A project done with AC19

Bricklyne Clarence — Sat, 28 Nov 2020 02:54:26 GMT

That's an amazing project.
Really well done.

In another universe it could easily be an ArchiCAD box signature building and showcase project.

It makes you wonder how many great projects are being done in ArchiCAD, which fly under the radar and no one ever gets to know about unless the firm that did it publicizes it.

Congratulations to you and your firm for executing and realizing it, and bravo for such great work done at such a high skill level.

Re: A project done with AC19

Mats_Knutsson — Mon, 30 Nov 2020 07:27:45 GMT

Thanks . It wasn't the easiest project but it came out well in the end. The project team relied on one very skilled Archicadder to make sure it would work out modeling wise.

This forum should have a project gallery section just for inspiration.

/Mats

Re: A project done with AC19

Rafal SLEK — Tue, 08 Dec 2020 08:30:20 GMT

Thank you Mats for this link! Nice to see such interesting and great architecture made in favourite software 🙂
best
Rafal

Re: A project done with AC19

furtonb — Tue, 08 Dec 2020 12:16:59 GMT

That looks awesome, Mats!
I would love to know more about the project.

It wasn't the easiest project but it came out well in the end.

What do you think, would that be possible to organize an online discussion where architects/structural engineers/MEP engineers/other involved parties discuss how the emerged problems were solved and possibly showing around the model and workflows?

Re: A project done with AC19

Kristian Bursell — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 10:20:54 GMT

Very nice work Mats.
It would have been quite and interesting project to build in Archicad.

Re: A project done with AC19

Mats_Knutsson — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 11:51:39 GMT

Kristian wrote:
Very nice work Mats.
It would have been quite and interesting project to build in Archicad.

Let's say challenging.

Re: A project done with AC19

jl_lt — Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:19:06 GMT

Absolutely great Project Mr. Knutsson, congratulations to you and your team. Complex yet grounded architecture.

would it be asking too much if youd discuss the complications, limitations and/or advantages you found out modelling a project like this in Archicad?

Re: A project done with AC19

Mats_Knutsson — Wed, 13 Jan 2021 07:37:26 GMT

jl_lt wrote:
Absolutely great Project Mr. Knutsson, congratulations to you and your team. Complex yet grounded architecture.

would it be asking too much if youd discuss the complications, limitations and/or advantages you found out modelling a project like this in Archicad?

Thank you

Well basically many chefs in the soup...ranging from left brainers to right brainers however for which Archicad is the best tool. Of course we had challenges between visual 3D and 2D documentation. 3D is always more or less easy regarding how much BIM we put into the model. This is not so much a BIM-project other than regular quantities of interior stuff and some more. It's a large project and quite often slow to work with which is why the team would't like to present it live.

No fancy stuff, just straight Archicad. I could have modeled this with Archicad when I first learned it 20 years ago. It's easier today though, especially with the morph tool. This building doesn't have any double curvatures, loft surfaces or such so the only thing custom is a gdl-object for the exterior red flanges (a penta prism with editable hotspots. Flanges could easily be done with Grasshopper but the architect is not a Rhino/GH user so the flowing "elbow" on the flanges was done manually by adjusting each flange hotspot after splines or polyline curves. It's pretty quick and the architect can do the job without having call a software expert (which is kind of the beacon for our way of working with Archicad...).

Re: A project done with AC19

jl_lt — Fri, 22 Jan 2021 04:00:14 GMT

Thank you Mr Knutsson! As algortihmic design gets more publicity each day, its reassuring to hear that a project like this can, and is, modeled with just native geometry. Not to say we shouldnt be studying algorithmic design, but thats another topic.

Re: A project done with AC19

Bricklyne Clarence — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 10:49:52 GMT

I found another site covering the same project with more (different? same?) photos and images of the completed project.

https://www.arch2o.com/house-of-knowledge-education-center-liljewall/

As always, ....great project.

Re: A project done with AC19

Anonymous — Fri, 05 Feb 2021 15:30:53 GMT

That's right, it's the same project.

Thank you so much for your kind words about the project. I've had the opportunity to be in charge of the AC-model in this project and it's correct that this is made out of pure geometries, drawn by the architect in a sketch-file with a vision on what to achieve with certain roof geometries and then converted into the active model with all the right parameters that where communicated to the contractor. I've been tuning this model for almost 5 years one step at the time.
The design in the model is made basically from ALOT of triangles to match every single point.
I've drawn every single piece of the geometry of the stair with the stair tool and all the panels and handles with the morph tool, and to say the least, I feel like I am in total control of the morph tool. Triangles are my new best friend, you can achieve any geometry out of trinagles .

The key to a model that is as big as this one is to keep an organized view map when you've had around a total of 70 different employees that has been working in this model over the time of the project.

If you have any questions about any specific part of the house, feel free to ask I will try to answer you as good as I can.

Re: A project done with AC19

Bricklyne Clarence — Fri, 05 Feb 2021 21:06:05 GMT

joanlinkan wrote:
That's right, it's the same project.

Thank you so much for your kind words about the project. I've had the opportunity to be in charge of the AC-model in this project and it's correct that this is made out of pure geometries, drawn by the architect in a sketch-file with a vision on what to achieve with certain roof geometries and then converted into the active model with all the right parameters that where communicated to the contractor. I've been tuning this model for almost 5 years one step at the time.
The design in the model is made basically from ALOT of triangles to match every single point.
I've drawn every single piece of the geometry of the stair with the stair tool and all the panels and handles with the morph tool, and to say the least, I feel like I am in total control of the morph tool. Triangles are my new best friend, you can achieve any geometry out of trinagles .

The key to a model that is as big as this one is to keep an organized view map when you've had around a total of 70 different employees that has been working in this model over the time of the project.

If you have any questions about any specific part of the house, feel free to ask I will try to answer you as good as I can.

Did you have to do much GDL coding to get any of the geometry done or to get some parametric functions into the models you built, or were you just working the "brute" way of building everything as is?

And what's your feeling about that (GDL coding, being able to use it, being able to extend the forms you build with basic tools, if you could)? Especially in a project of this size and scope.

Also, if you don't mind indulging us, did you use or have to use the ArchiCAD-Rhino/Grasshopper bridge and those parametric algorithmic tools and even if you did not, what are you feelings on going that kind of route, if you had to?
(like, for example, do you feel you could have been able to get this done faster than that 5 years with these tools at your disposal at their fullest (including GDL coding) if you had had access to them or were better versed in them?)

It seems like a perfect project built for that kind of workflow and this kind of design.

I feel like the people at Graphisoft should be asking designers an architects like you these sorts of questions to get a better sense of where to head with the development of this software in a more efficient way - but either way, the rest of us can still stand to learn a lot for our own situations.

Thanks in advance

Re: A project done with AC19

Aaron Bourgoin — Fri, 05 Feb 2021 21:42:39 GMT

Really, really nice work. Congratulations.

Re: A project done with AC19

Mats_Knutsson — Sun, 07 Feb 2021 09:58:19 GMT

Bricklyne wrote:

joanlinkan wrote:
That's right, it's the same project.

Thank you so much for your kind words about the project. I've had the opportunity to be in charge of the AC-model in this project and it's correct that this is made out of pure geometries, drawn by the architect in a sketch-file with a vision on what to achieve with certain roof geometries and then converted into the active model with all the right parameters that where communicated to the contractor. I've been tuning this model for almost 5 years one step at the time.
The design in the model is made basically from ALOT of triangles to match every single point.
I've drawn every single piece of the geometry of the stair with the stair tool and all the panels and handles with the morph tool, and to say the least, I feel like I am in total control of the morph tool. Triangles are my new best friend, you can achieve any geometry out of trinagles .

The key to a model that is as big as this one is to keep an organized view map when you've had around a total of 70 different employees that has been working in this model over the time of the project.

If you have any questions about any specific part of the house, feel free to ask I will try to answer you as good as I can.

Did you have to do much GDL coding to get any of the geometry done or to get some parametric functions into the models you built, or were you just working the "brute" way of building everything as is?

And what's your feeling about that (GDL coding, being able to use it, being able to extend the forms you build with basic tools, if you could)? Especially in a project of this size and scope.

Also, if you don't mind indulging us, did you use or have to use the ArchiCAD-Rhino/Grasshopper bridge and those parametric algorithmic tools and even if you did not, what are you feelings on going that kind of route, if you had to?
(like, for example, do you feel you could have been able to get this done faster than that 5 years with these tools at your disposal at their fullest (including GDL coding) if you had had access to them or were better versed in them?)

It seems like a perfect project built for that kind of workflow and this kind of design.

I feel like the people at Graphisoft should be asking designers an architects like you these sorts of questions to get a better sense of where to head with the development of this software in a more efficient way - but either way, the rest of us can still stand to learn a lot for our own situations.

Thanks in advance

I answer this in post #9.

Regarding the route we want to go we want our staff to use their preferred tools. Some might use grasshopper, some might use straight Archicad the brute way like in this project. The GH bridge is focussed mainly on modelling and we that's not a bottleneck for our kind of projects. REAL bottlenecks are crappy door/window/stair/zone/schedule etc.... We're a large company and the most important thing is to get the job done within the normal distribution curve thus the elements we put in the model must work for the normal project. GS has their plans somewhere else...don't know where. I'd like to know more about these illusive japanese companies...maybe they have influence...more likely Nemetschek trying to bring their diverse portfolio together.
However we put a lot of R&D into Rhino/GH/Python.

Re: A project done with AC19

Mats_Knutsson — Mon, 08 Feb 2021 17:05:43 GMT

Kunskapshuset nominated for Educational building of the year at ArchDaily!

https://boty.archdaily.com/us/2021/candidates/137954/house-of-knowledge-education-center-slash-liljewall

Re: A project done with AC19

jl_lt — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 17:44:23 GMT

joanlinkan wrote:
That's right, it's the same project.

Thank you so much for your kind words about the project. I've had the opportunity to be in charge of the AC-model in this project and it's correct that this is made out of pure geometries, drawn by the architect in a sketch-file with a vision on what to achieve with certain roof geometries and then converted into the active model with all the right parameters that where communicated to the contractor. I've been tuning this model for almost 5 years one step at the time.
The design in the model is made basically from ALOT of triangles to match every single point.
I've drawn every single piece of the geometry of the stair with the stair tool and all the panels and handles with the morph tool, and to say the least, I feel like I am in total control of the morph tool. Triangles are my new best friend, you can achieve any geometry out of trinagles .

The key to a model that is as big as this one is to keep an organized view map when you've had around a total of 70 different employees that has been working in this model over the time of the project.

If you have any questions about any specific part of the house, feel free to ask I will try to answer you as good as I can.

Hi Mr. Joanlinkan. Congrats again on the great work. I have some questions (well, many!). here we go:

-As a big office, do you follow a procedure in which, once a desicion is made its set and gets modelled, or even in nordic countries do you find yourselves in situations where you are already in the construction documents phase and still are at risk of getting big changes in the project? Did something like this happenned during this project? if so, did Archicad helped you handling it?

-Did the modelling process started right away in Archicad, or was it conceptualized previously in sketchup or Rhino?

-How would you feel if instead of Archicad, you had to model this in Revit?

-How many construction documents (layouts) you handled for this project?

-I see the building has some sloped slabs. Did you use split levels or just a general set of main levels with the intermediate levels set in between?

-How much 2d cad had to be used?

-What was the LOD requested by the client?

-Did you import the structural elements modeled by third parties as a module or did you modelled the structural elements yourself based on information provided by third parties?

-Is it a single model or is it broken down in parts? if its broken down in parts what was the strategy for managing them?

-What was the final file size?

thanks for your time!