topic Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging in Modeling

ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

MMontgomery — Tue, 23 May 2023 14:20:22 GMT

Since the latest update I've been experiencing a bug in AC19 where when grabbing and dragging a node on an object, wall, or anything, it will instead start the dragging from the nearest gridsnap point - with gridsnap turned off. After 2 or 3 tries, it does finally grab the node correctly for editing.

Similarly, with a spline, when I grab one end of the spline to drag, Archicad instead grabs the node from the other end of the spline to drag. This also corrects itself after 2 or 3 attempts.

Obviously this makes it nearly impossible to make quick and accurate adjustments to items in the project and it's driving me nuts!

Anyone else experiencing this find a fix?

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

Dontknow — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 17:53:21 GMT

No problem here, dragging a wall or spline.
Working just fine.

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

NCornia — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 18:17:46 GMT

MMontgomery,

It sounds similar to the issues being investigated here:

I will PM you with some instructions to make a screen-recording and where to upload it to us. The recording will help us better understand if the issue is the same as what we are currently looking into.

Best regards,

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

Anonymous — Thu, 12 Nov 2015 00:15:16 GMT

Yes, I will speak at least to the spline issue. Apart from my recent complaint thread about some weirdness with extending polyline lengths I did notice the bizarre behaviour with the nodes switching on the splines. But then I can only complain about one thing at a time.

Next time I'll also have to remember to include some hyperbole like "MAJOR" or "SERIOUS" in the title next time. Very eye catching.

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

Eduardo Rolon — Thu, 12 Nov 2015 13:22:59 GMT

I have seen this problem with Walls in my projects.

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

Brad Elliott — Fri, 13 Nov 2015 00:36:25 GMT

Same problem. As far as I can tell it can be with any object, wall, line etc.

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:41:03 GMT

ArchiCAD 19 is riddled with these bugs, everyone in my office is complaining to me about them. It is absolutely horrible working in ArchiCAD now, it has effectively been ruined.

Dragging a line/object by default instead of dragging a node (stretching) with no option on the pet palette to change. Forcing you to deselect/escape and select the node again.

When cmd-clicking points to add dimensions to a dimension chain - Dimensioning to the exact position of the cursor instead of the snapped point, producing random dimensions with no way of knowing that is has done this.

Having to wait a glacial amount of time to copy a tiny amount of 2D data to the clipboard.

Labels - where do I start? Could you have ballsed these up any more?

All of these things have a cumulative effect where your flow is constantly interrupted to the point where you are always thinking about the mechanics of using ArchiCAD and not designing/drawing like you should be. If there was a swear box in my office I could have cashed it in and gone travelling for a year, which would have been a welcome break from using ArchiCAD.

Absolutely no discernible increase in speed, doing anything. Quite the opposite.

I've been using ArchiCAD exclusively since 1998, version 6.5. This is the worst update ever and it's ruining my professional life.

Sort it out.

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:36:02 GMT

My post about the slowness of the Reference Trace on a great job deleted. I say that wrong?
Can we know when exactly out new improvements after 4011?
It must be recognized until AC19-4011 still leaves a lot of bugs.
Need to express honestly how these improvements immediately released.
Remember a time when I and all of us will work full time, There is a problem especially in the declining performance of the Reference Trace on a great job is something quite vital.
How to anticipate it?

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

Brad Elliott — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:31:42 GMT

Steve, I am also having dimensioning issues. I now have a project where it is impossible to create a dimension chain through 4 walls. 2 of the walls always drop the dimensions. So I can dimension any 2 walls but not more. This happened to existing dimension strings so now I have to go through and check all my dimensions and discovered that several of them are no longer attached to any element but are just static dimensions. This could become an error that can cost me a lot of money and not just lost productivity.

At this point ArchiCAD needs to issue an official downgrade from 4011 for those not using El Capitan (with it's own pile of bugs) or Windows 10 so that we can be productive until they can do proper quality control on the next update.

For the labels the one thing I discovered is that the label behaves differently depending on whether you select it by the body or the leader. Once I trained myself for that difference I now am warming to the new labels.

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

schagemann — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:08:30 GMT

@Steve > which operating system are you using - might have over read it, but an update to your signature would help.

We notice that the last 2 posters use the very latest OS's which is always problematic in our experience.

In our case of working with Apple hardware we are also in a bit of a bind as the very latest iMacs can no longer be downgraded to OSX 10.10 Yosemite, we have decided to postpone new hardware purchases and hang on to AC18 until we are confident AC19 runs smoothly on OSX 10.11 El Capitan.

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

NCornia — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:40:05 GMT

Brad wrote:
At this point ArchiCAD needs to issue an official downgrade from 4011 for those not using El Capitan (with it's own pile of bugs) or Windows 10 so that we can be productive until they can do proper quality control on the next update.

Here is the process to restore ARCHICAD to its initial build: If using Teamwork a similar process must happen on all workstations and the BIM Server computer as well. You will run the BIM Server installer and it will offer a Repair option, just like the ARCHICAD installer.

Best regards,

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

Brad Elliott — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 23:44:44 GMT

Thanks, I'd forgotten about that. A quick reminder is that that's the initial ArchiCAD 19 installer not the update.

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

Barry Kelly — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 01:46:47 GMT

EDDY wrote:
My post about the slowness of the Reference Trace on a great job deleted. I say that wrong?

You mean this one?

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=248793&highlight=#248793

It's still there.

Barry.

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

David Maudlin — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:19:52 GMT

schagemann wrote:
In our case of working with Apple hardware we are also in a bit of a bind as the very latest iMacs can no longer be downgraded to OSX 10.10 Yosemite, we have decided to postpone new hardware purchases and hang on to AC18 until we are confident AC19 runs smoothly on OSX 10.11 El Capitan.

I don't know the purchasing options in Australia, but I have recently bought a MacBook Pro and iMac from Apple, both originally released in late 2014. I was also concerned about running OSX10.11, so the Apple rep suggested buying refurbished Macs, which ship with the OS that was current when originally released. So both machines came with OS X 10.10, which will run ArchiCAD back to version 10. They came with the one year warrantee, similar specs to the current models, and were less expensive. Try going to your local Apple web store and searching for "Refurbished". If you don't find the model and specs you want one day, check back as the models available changes day to day.

David

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

Katalin Borszeki — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:25:01 GMT

Hi All,
Some of the problems mentioned in this thread have been known by us.
The topmost entry in this Helpcenter article
http://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/?p=43114
describes the node offsetting and dimension placing problem. Please note, this issue is planned to be fixed very urgently in a fast fix!!

We are also conducting inquiries in connection with the other problems mentioned below, our team will contact the users privately to gain some detailed information. Thanks and stay tuned, k

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

Ernest Atanasiu — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:34:48 GMT

I would add :
- the imposibility to dimension the height of doors in just one step (before was just clicking on the door edges, now is dimensioning over and over again, until it decides to give you the height as well),
- random dimensioning of objects ('close but not close enough' type)
- the new and improved dimensions actually cause the majority of frustrations in our office.
- the lag in teamwork operations (after requesting an element, before receiving the grant permission notice),
- the lag in plan views if you have the 3D Cutaway active,
- the aforementioned dragging of lines and walls

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

Anonymous — Mon, 23 Nov 2015 14:48:28 GMT

KatalinBorszeki wrote:
Hi All,
Some of the problems mentioned in this thread have been known by us.
The topmost entry in this Helpcenter article
http://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/?p=43114
describes the node offsetting and dimension placing problem. Please note, this issue is planned to be fixed very urgently in a fast fix!!

We are also conducting inquiries in connection with the other problems mentioned below, our team will contact the users privately to gain some detailed information. Thanks and stay tuned, k

That is very good to know, I just replied to a PM from Akos but he did not mention that it was already a known issue. Great news indeed.

To answer schagemann's query:
I'm using ArchiCAD 19 Build 4011 on an iMac (Late 2009 and 2015 Retina) running El Capitan 10.11.1.

We have this bug on build 3003 and 4011 machines but interestingly, can't recreate on one machine that's on build 3003. Weird.

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

Katalin Borszeki — Tue, 24 Nov 2015 13:32:56 GMT

Hi All,
The problem mentioned by Steve (offsetting and other feedback issues) has been addressed and we plan to release an Update to fix it this very week. Thanks! k

Re: ArchiCAD 19 - Update 4011 - Major Bug with node dragging

NCornia — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:40:16 GMT

See this post about the fix, released today:

~~Best regards,~~