topic Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"? in Modeling

Metal Lath "Linetype"?

rob2218 — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 19:07:39 GMT

does anyone have a Linetype that resembles a "metal lath" like this?
I know amazing things can be done with creating a linetype...but just wondering if anyone had already made one?

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 19:49:51 GMT

You have already done it. Just copy and paste your lines showing what you want into a new Symbol line type. Set the gap to 0. Select the Scale with Plan option.

Be aware that your line will have to be offset by half its width, as it is created along the centreline of its entities.

Would have taken less time than it did to type this, but I live by the motto: Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your boat and drink your beer.

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

rob2218 — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 19:57:11 GMT

So...which lines should I copy/paste? One short vertical one (1/4") and a diagonal?
How many of that particular pattern do copy/paste?
Also...should I draw those "lines" with lines or plines?

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 20:29:13 GMT

You can do it with one set of short and diagonal, or you can do it with more if you want. Symbol lines seem to stop anywhere along their pattern, whereas standard dashed lines terminate with a section of solid line. So the number of line segments you use will not matter for a symbol line type.

Lines work, polylines do not.

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

rob2218 — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 20:32:17 GMT

ok, so I guess the "lines" themselves which make up the new "Linetype" pattern needs to be "lines" and not "plines"? is this correct?

Also...I tried to create the metal lath line pattern and it doesn't show up right.

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

rob2218 — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 20:37:56 GMT

here's what I get.
I tell ya....this "creation of 'stuff'" both creating a "fill" and "linetypes" are a nightmare.
there are other "things" can be created easily but for some reason, this programming type user input interphase it horrible. I can't see the "linetype" I'm creating to know whether it's right or wrong?

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 20:39:11 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
ok, so I guess the "lines" themselves which make up the new "Linetype" pattern needs to be "lines" and not "plines"? is this correct?

Yes

rob2218 wrote:
Also...I tried to create the metal lath line pattern and it doesn't show up right.

What is wrong with it?

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

rob2218 — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 20:42:05 GMT

first off....I can't find it on the list of "linetypes"?
where does it reside?

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

rob2218 — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 20:46:39 GMT

this is a nightmare guys....
1. the linetype is WAY too small in the preview editing dialogue box.
2. I've tried changing/setting/adjusting the "gap" to ZERO, and the "dash" to 1 inch and nothing makes it connect, look like the linetype I'm trying to build.
3. I can "see" that little graphics of the lines...but I can't seem to get it to the proper scale? and there is nothing there on the list??

WTH is going on?

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 20:54:33 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
here's what I get.
I tell ya....this "creation of 'stuff'" both creating a "fill" and "linetypes" are a nightmare.
there are other "things" can be created easily but for some reason, this programming type user input interphase it horrible. I can't see the "linetype" I'm creating to know whether it's right or wrong?

I created a line similar to yours, but in Metric dimensions - 10mm x 40mm. Strangely I had to change the dash length to 0.4mm for it to display the right size, whether it was created from a 1:1 view or 1:100.

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 20:58:47 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
first off....I can't find it on the list of "linetypes"?
where does it reside?

You've probably worked this out by now, but symbol line types get added to the bottom of the list, not in alphabetical order.

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

rob2218 — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 21:41:52 GMT

ok, so...anyway I can bribe you into sending/posting that linetype up?
I just can't seem to get the right "spacing" or "size" for the linetype.
it's too small, it's separated between dahses too much...so I'm not sure what I need to adjust.

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

rob2218 — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 21:44:14 GMT

well...and see your "dash' dimension is 0.40 which equates to mine that is 1 inch.....

I set my "dash" parameter to 1" in my editor when I was creating the linetype and it didn't make it read connected nor could I see it like I see yours.
dunno

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 22:57:06 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
well...and see your "dash' dimension is 0.40 which equates to mine that is 1 inch.....

I set my "dash" parameter to 1" in my editor when I was creating the linetype and it didn't make it read connected nor could I see it like I see yours.
dunno

When I set the dash to 0.4mm that was 1/100th of the size of my symbol. I would have thought it would need to be actual size, not 1/100th. This did not change when I selected the line segments from a 1:1 view or a 1:100 view. This confuses me.
The gap setting should be 0 to get the segments to join and be continuous.

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

rob2218 — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 23:12:46 GMT

just not sure how to get this linetype to work.
not sure what I need to alter/adjust on the editor panel.
do select "paperspace scale" or the other one?

I wonder why they even use the term "Paperspace" in Archicad?

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

rob2218 — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 23:25:39 GMT

A couple of items I just discovered...

1. the "lines" you use NEED to be drawn in a layout (meaning a 1:1) scaled environment. that's why they were coming out tiny for me. Because I was trying to create the from a "model" environment.
2. The "lines" will only contain a node at the end and beginning. no other nodes will exist.

with regards to no.2 - wonder if I were to add "hotspots" would the line be grabbable by the points where it changes direction?

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

Anonymous — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 00:18:23 GMT

Things I found out:

1 - If you draw lines in Layout, based at 0,0, copy and paste into Symbol Linetype your new line type will be centred on the elements selected (left image).

2 - If you draw lines in Model, based at 0,0, copy and paste into Symbol Linetype your new line type will have the origin where 0,0 was (right image)

3 - If you draw lines in Model, not based at 0,0, copy and paste etc, new line type will be centred on elements selected, same as left image.

Still with both options the scale is wrong - had to make line length 1/100th of what it should be in order to get it to display at the right size.

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

rob2218 — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 00:26:01 GMT

Great discovery about the "origin" parameter.
Now the line doesn't have to be in the center..........great find.

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

rob2218 — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 00:26:48 GMT

is there anyway to "edit" the linetype once it's created so you can move the lines in the editing box?

Re: Metal Lath "Linetype"?

Anonymous — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 03:29:57 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
is there anyway to "edit" the linetype once it's created so you can move the lines in the editing box?

No. You can pick up the line elements used with the "Copy" button in the Line Type setting, paste to a plan view, edit, copy from plan view, go back to Line Types and Paste back into your symbol line, but you can't edit directly within the Line Types dialogue.

I sure wish someone else would chip in and let us know why the scale is all up the spout - GS? Anyone? Is this a bug? Is it still the same in AC19? (I'm using 18 )