topic Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground? in Modeling

Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground?

rob2218 — Wed, 24 May 2023 06:53:11 GMT

see attached.
need to show a "concrete pattern" inside the wall composite.
using a MVO thats geared toward shades rather than a construction document type view.
How best to accomplish now showing a concrete stipple pattern inside the concrete basement wall "IN ADDITION" to maintaining these "shades inside the walls?

Re: Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground?

Barry Kelly — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 01:45:47 GMT

You can't do this if you are overriding the fills in the MVO settings.

But you can set up your Building Material fill to use a 'concrete' style fill with a light grey background pen and a darker foreground pen for the hatch pattern.

Barry.

Re: Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground?

rob2218 — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 18:42:57 GMT

humm...bummer.
well, what I've had to resort to...which defeats the whole "BIM" purpose is add a cover fill type hatch over in the areas that are "concrete".
Due to the architects rather unique criteria for how drawings should look, this is what I had to do.

here's what it looks like. Wish I could get the same results simply with a MVO adjustment.

Re: Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground?

Anonymous — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:37:01 GMT

Not quite sure I'm following, but if you want to show shaded fill in plan and concrete fill in section, you can do this with pen sets. Assign a unique pen to your concrete fill. In plan view set your pen set to show the fill pen the same grey as the background pen, in the section view your pen set will have the fill pen black and the background pen grey. Of course with this method you can not use the "Uniform pen for cut elements" option in section settings, so every element must be set up to show correctly in section.

Re: Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground?

rob2218 — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:44:13 GMT

what's happening is as follows:
1. in plan, the architect wants to "see" grey walls (ALL grey walls) therefore we've set a MVO that shows the walls as a light grey. Its more of a combo "presentation" type MVO which depicts the walls with no separator lines and shade of grey.
2. Now..the basement "concrete walls we still need to be using that same MVO (grey walls) but...now we need to "see" the concrete hatch pattern fill without going into any "construction documentation" type MVO.
3. In section..we need to "see" the 'concrete fill' pattern in the walls that are, well, concrete as a building material.

so...what's happening is that I need to see my section as a "grey fill" yet, at the same time be able to see the "concrete basement walls" in with their concrete pattern.....so it appears I can either have an MVO option that shows "ALL" the view as a construction document type level or ALL the view as a "presentation type" (grey shaded filled walls) level but i can't have a piece of one MVO and a piece of the other MVO combined.

Re: Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground?

Richard Morrison — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 20:04:08 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
i can't have a piece of one MVO and a piece of the other MVO combined.

Sure you can. Just stack views in Layout.

Re: Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground?

rob2218 — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 20:46:09 GMT

dunno that this would work in this instance.
I'd have to be "stacking" ONLY the hatch pattern so I'd have these 'irregulaly shaped' viewmaps all over the place "just" to get the hatch pattern to be inside the walls....dunno.

Richard wrote:
rob2218 wrote:
i can't have a piece of one MVO and a piece of the other MVO combined.
Sure you can. Just stack views in Layout.

Re: Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground?

Richard Morrison — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 21:08:02 GMT

I have no idea what these "irregularly shaped View Maps" have to do with anything, or what they would be. Create a View that has only concrete walls with the concrete hatching. Send to layout. Do your gray wall view. Send to layout. Put one on top of the other, and drag so they overlap precisely. Would take at least 2 minutes -- if you're really slow. (TIP: Group them together.)

I do this all the time to get a grayed out plan background with the electrical information or framing information popping out.

Re: Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground?

rob2218 — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 21:21:39 GMT

Background for electrical information?
huh? wouldn't you just use an "electrical" penset that makes the electrical objects 'bolder'?
dunno. anyhow....

Richard wrote:
I have no idea what these "irregularly shaped View Maps" have to do with anything, or what they would be. Create a View that has only concrete walls with the concrete hatching. Send to layout. Do your gray wall view. Send to layout. Put one on top of the other, and drag so they overlap precisely. Would take at least 2 minutes -- if you're really slow. (TIP: Group them together.)

I do this all the time to get a grayed out plan background with the electrical information or framing information popping out.

Re: Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground?

Richard Morrison — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 22:15:38 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
Background for electrical information?
huh? wouldn't you just use an "electrical" penset that makes the electrical objects 'bolder'?

Certainly possible, but takes time to set up and then manage pens very carefully. I always seem to make a few mistakes. I think it's just faster to have a "Walls Only" view, where you can just take a view and change all the pens to gray. And another view of "Electrical Only" where you can change all the pens to black.

Re: Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground?

rob2218 — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 22:38:01 GMT

Agreed.....
I'll have to try your technique sir.

Richard wrote:
rob2218 wrote:
Background for electrical information?
huh? wouldn't you just use an "electrical" penset that makes the electrical objects 'bolder'?
Certainly possible, but takes time to set up and then manage pens very carefully. I always seem to make a few mistakes. I think it's just faster to have a "Walls Only" view, where you can just take a view and change all the pens to gray. And another view of "Electrical Only" where you can change all the pens to black.

Re: Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground?

Steve Jepson — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:20:34 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
humm...bummer.
well, what I've had to resort to...which defeats the whole "BIM" purpose is add a cover fill type hatch over in the areas that are "concrete".
Due to the architects rather unique criteria for how drawings should look, this is what I had to do.

here's what it looks like. Wish I could get the same results simply with a MVO adjustment.

You don't need model view options to make the background in a section view different than it is on the floor plan.

In Building Materials, you can set both the pens the the same.
Then use the section settings to change the background so the pattern show up do to the contrast. It will not show in plan view.

Is that what your wanting to do?

Re: Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground?

Steve Jepson — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:37:21 GMT

I like to show the block outs / step downs in the stem wall with a different background color so it doesn't get overlooked as much.

Re: Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground?

rob2218 — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 17:14:22 GMT

STeve,
you and I "both" know the architect I'm working with. With that said....notice how the pen 237 in plan is darker than the pen 237 in section....these would be COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE (sorry for the e-shouting but that is how I recieve the comments from said architect) to the architect whom I'm dealing with......

But yes...that is, barring the difference in grey tones, what I'm trying to achive...without having to use a "fill pattern" on top of some walls in plan and section.

Steve wrote:
rob2218 wrote:
humm...bummer.
well, what I've had to resort to...which defeats the whole "BIM" purpose is add a cover fill type hatch over in the areas that are "concrete".
Due to the architects rather unique criteria for how drawings should look, this is what I had to do.

here's what it looks like. Wish I could get the same results simply with a MVO adjustment.
You don't need model view options to make the background in a section view different than it is on the floor plan.

In Building Materials, you can set both the pens the the same.
Then use the section settings to change the background so the pattern show up do to the contrast. It will not show in plan view.

Is that what your wanting to do?

Re: Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground?

Steve Jepson — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 20:25:39 GMT

I am not understanding the problem.

This may not be the exact colors you want but it illustrates that you can get what you want with out any use of MVOs. It is just a matter of Section Settings for the background color. Unless I am not understanding something.

Re: Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground?

rob2218 — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 20:37:06 GMT

see image........Steve. "You" do know whom we are referring to here......right? You've had first hand experience with as well......

Re: Concrete pattern - background fill/foreground?

Steve Jepson — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 22:29:12 GMT

Yes. I do know what you dealing with.
However, I am still not understanding something.
Getting the walls to look the same in plan view as they do in section is the default condition.
And you can of course make them different if you want that with Section Settings. I like Section Settings because I can show my footings as a dashed line in plan view, but in Section I want that line to be solid.
Why do you want to try and control that with Model View Options ?