topic Re: Railing tool post display funny business in Modeling

Railing tool post display funny business

Bruce — Tue, 23 May 2023 16:04:12 GMT

I have encountered what I am pretty sure is a bug in the railing tool...but I could just be missing a setting. Steps followed:

1. Create a straight static railing with 4 nodes, including the end nodes.
2. Change one end node vertically.
3. The post next to the 'bent' node will disappear.

See series of screenshots below.

Re: Railing tool post display funny business

Bruce — Tue, 07 Nov 2017 22:00:23 GMT

Move end node vertically

Re: Railing tool post display funny business

Bruce — Tue, 07 Nov 2017 22:01:36 GMT

Post disappears, but node remains. Cannot re-insert post onto node - option not available

Re: Railing tool post display funny business

Bruce — Tue, 07 Nov 2017 22:08:14 GMT

New node inserted. Post appears at old node, but not at new.

Re: Railing tool post display funny business

Bruce — Tue, 07 Nov 2017 22:11:36 GMT

New node added on other side of working node - post appears as it should.

Re: Railing tool post display funny business

sinceV6 — Wed, 08 Nov 2017 01:53:31 GMT

Hi.
Both the stair and railing tools have a myriad of settings. It's a bit difficult to know what's going on without the whole context. Still... my best guess is that this is related to your segment and inner post's settings.
Check this video by master Eric Bobrow (and the other 2 new videos in his channel). There are some useful tips in the segment settings that might help you troubleshoot this.

Please post back if you fixed it, so other people searching for the same can see a solution.

Best regards.

Re: Railing tool post display funny business

Bruce — Wed, 08 Nov 2017 02:53:25 GMT

Thanks sinceV6 - I've seen Eric's videos, which are a good resource. However, these are not Segment: Inner Posts, but Node: Posts. They should appear at every node.

If the handrail is cranked in plan - no problem. If there is no vertical crank - no problem. As soon as you bring the nodes in line so they form a straight handrail in plan, with a crank in the vertical plane, posts will start to disappear.

Re: Railing tool post display funny business

Barry Kelly — Wed, 08 Nov 2017 03:14:05 GMT

Do you have the latest update for Archicad?
I just had a quick look in build 5002 and I am not seeing the problem.

Barry.

Re: Railing tool post display funny business

Bruce — Wed, 08 Nov 2017 08:53:29 GMT

No, I haven't updated yet. I'll give that a go to see if it fixes the issue. Good thinking.

Re: Railing tool post display funny business

Bruce — Mon, 20 Nov 2017 23:50:04 GMT

I have updated to 4022 NZE (the latest for my region) and it now works ok.

Re: Railing tool post display funny business

Barry Kelly — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 01:06:50 GMT

That's great.
Thanks for letting us know.

Hopefully soon there will be a library update as well that will affect stairs and railings.
The INT library has been released - just waiting for all the other language versions.
Also there will be an Archicad update soon (5002 which is in preview for some languages - not NZ sorry).
So keep an eye on the "Check for updates" in the Help menu or make sure the check for updates is turned on in the Work Environment and Archicad will automatically check and will notify you when they are available.

Barry.

Re: Railing tool post display funny business

Bruce — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 01:39:03 GMT

I'm going to have to roll back my update anyway, and the vertical curved connections have disappeared. Changing the radius values has no effect, and remodelling the handrail doesn't work.

Re: Railing tool post display funny business

Barry Kelly — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 01:44:34 GMT

I can see it is going to take a while to get all these new stair and railing problems sorted.
Hopefully the problems will be sorted and it won't just be left as near enough is good enough (I get in trouble whenever I mention 80% ).

Be sure to try and report any problems to you local distributor as well as mentioning them here.

Barry.

Re: Railing tool post display funny business

Bruce — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 01:48:05 GMT

The problem seems to be related with an incorrect testing of vertical radius to proximity of connected nodes. If I shift the node where the vertical bend happens away from the corner node far enough, the connections reappear.

Problem is, geometrically it should work (and did in the previous build). Oh well.

Re: Railing tool post display funny business

Bruce — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:57:59 GMT

Have fixed the problem of connection radii not updating - there is a Reset Custom Nodes button under the Node section (see image). However, the issue that caused this problem in the first place still persists (not allowing close enough nodes from corners to vertical bends).

Re: Railing tool post display funny business

Bruce — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:59:49 GMT

Forgot to mention it was Cadimage support that pointed out the previous fix.

The image below (section through handrail) refers to what I'm talking about. I know this can work, because it was working on the previous build.

Re: Railing tool post display funny business

Bruce — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 21:24:05 GMT

I should probably say that, despite these issues, I still think the new tool is amazing. A lot of thought has gone into it, and the result is excellent.