topic Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva in Modeling

WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Relevant Stories"

rob2218 — Wed, 24 May 2023 06:51:58 GMT

three questions:
1. why can't we simply "select a story" where we want to see the wall?
2. Why is it that if there are walls with parameters such as "home story only" and other walls that have the parameter "All Relevant Stories"...and I do a CTRL-A while I have the wall tool active...why can I NOT move "ALL" the selected walls to the "Home Story Only" parameter?
3. Someone, please explain what does "Relevant Stories Only" mean?
I'm assuming that it means if a wall is 2 stories tall for example...and this parameter of "All relevant stories" is set...then you will see that wall on both it's home story AND the story where it extends up to? is this correct? Cause sometimes these walls don't behave as such.

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

Steve Jepson — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 01:36:23 GMT

I was just going to post a topic asking about some similar things.

In your case, I am not sure I understand the questions very well.

#1- You can. If you select some walls you can select the Home Story you want it to be on.

#2 - You can. If you select one wall that is on Home Story only and another that is showing on All Relative Stories you can move move them both to a different story and change the display to what ever Show on Settings display you want.

#3 - I think your understanding of Relevant Stories is correct.
If you have a wall on one story and it extends up into another story, it can be displayed there too, but only so far as the cut plane for that story allows.

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

rob2218 — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 01:57:15 GMT

ahhh....only so far as you can go to the cutplane line...didn't think about parameter.

Steve wrote:
I was just going to post a topic asking about some similar things.

In your case, I am not sure I understand the questions very well.

#1- You can. If you select some walls you can select the Home Story you want it to be on.

#2 - You can. If you select one wall that is on Home Story only and another that is showing on All Relative Stories you can move move them both to a different story and change the display to what ever Show on Settings display you want.

#3 - I think your understanding of Relevant Stories is correct.
If you have a wall on one story and it extends up into another story, it can be displayed there too, but only so far as the cut plane for that story allows.

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

Steve Jepson — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:19:32 GMT

So here is my similar topic question you may be able to answer for me.

I am trying to make a roof plan in plan view for a two story house.
I can get the roofs to show up just fine because roofs have a setting for Show on All Stories. But walls only have a choice of Show on Relative or Home Story Only.

My problem is that my gutters are walls/complex profiles so I am having a problem finding a way to show the gutters on the first floor roofs in the same plan view as the gutters for the second floor roofs.

If I explode the gutters into morphs I can have them display on all levels.

Is there some there way to do this?

There ought to be some way to show walls and/or complex profiles on all levels.

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

rob2218 — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:23:51 GMT

Use the same profile and make your gutters out of a "beam object".

See if you can get better story setting visibility with a beam instead.

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

Steve Jepson — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:31:57 GMT

Thanks Rob, That works because you can get a beam to show on all stories.
And all I had to do was open the complex profile and click the beam button.

Easy fix. Thanks.

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

rob2218 — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:33:58 GMT

YOU betcha....!
glad I could be of quick fix....
you've helped me countless of times sir....so it's the least I can do.

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

rob2218 — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:35:06 GMT

nice screen snapshot by the way...very informative.

Steve wrote:
So here is my similar topic question you may be able to answer for me.

I am trying to make a roof plan in plan view for a two story house.
I can get the roofs to show up just fine because roofs have a setting for Show on All Stories. But walls only have a choice of Show on Relative or Home Story Only.

My problem is that my gutters are walls/complex profiles so I am having a problem finding a way to show the gutters on the first floor roofs in the same plan view as the gutters for the second floor roofs.

If I explode the gutters into morphs I can have them display on all levels.

Is there some there way to do this?

There ought to be some way to show walls and/or complex profiles on all levels.

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

rob2218 — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:40:41 GMT

By the way Steve....do you know of a way to have two planes intersect one another "AND" show that line where the two planes intersect? I don't mean "trim" either....why is it that when two planes intersect "thru" each other...they can't seem to generate that actual line where the fold occurs?

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

Steve Jepson — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:44:42 GMT

Image Shack https://imageshack.com/

And Snagit http://www.techsmith.com/snagit.html

Are a couple of my favorite tools.

With Image Shack you can put multiple pictures in the same ArchiCAD Talk post.
I forget to re-size them sometimes.

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

Steve Jepson — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 03:08:20 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
By the way Steve....do you know of a way to have two planes intersect one another "AND" show that line where the two planes intersect? I don't mean "trim" either....why is it that when two planes intersect "thru" each other...they can't seem to generate that actual line where the fold occurs?

That is sometimes just a matter of the view angle or the sun angle.

What I don't like is that object that are well below the surface of the roof like rafters or something still show through.

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

Steve Jepson — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 03:39:52 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
By the way Steve....do you know of a way to have two planes intersect one another "AND" show that line where the two planes intersect? I don't mean "trim" either....why is it that when two planes intersect "thru" each other...they can't seem to generate that actual line where the fold occurs?

No. But it bothers me too. For example in elevation there should be an line at the intersect of the roofs even if they are not trimmed.

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

Erich — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 04:52:01 GMT

Steve,
I run into this all the time and I agree, that line should not be there, but it is easy to get rid of, just pull your roof back 1/4" or so. Just enough to get the edge off the outer surface and the line goes away without the need of an SEO.

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

Steve Jepson — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 20:11:28 GMT

Erich wrote:
Steve,
I run into this all the time and I agree, that line should not be there, but it is easy to get rid of, just pull your roof back 1/4" or so. Just enough to get the edge off the outer surface and the line goes away without the need of an SEO.

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 18:07:20 GMT

Steve wrote:
My problem is that my gutters are walls/complex profiles so I am having a problem finding a way to show the gutters on the first floor roofs in the same plan view as the gutters for the second floor roofs.

If I explode the gutters into morphs I can have them display on all levels.

Is there some there way to do this?

There ought to be some way to show walls and/or complex profiles on all levels.

Steve, there is another easy way of achieving this. Just go to the Floor Plan Cut Plane Settings Dialog and adjust the Offset value of the lower limit of the Floor Plan Range so that it includes the gutter vertically. Then it will appear on the upper story as well.

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

Steve Jepson — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 18:33:55 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
Steve wrote:
My problem is that my gutters are walls/complex profiles so I am having a problem finding a way to show the gutters on the first floor roofs in the same plan view as the gutters for the second floor roofs.

If I explode the gutters into morphs I can have them display on all levels.

Is there some there way to do this?

There ought to be some way to show walls and/or complex profiles on all levels.
Steve, there is another easy way of achieving this. Just go to the Floor Plan Cut Plane Settings Dialog and adjust the Offset value of the lower limit of the Floor Plan Range so that it includes the gutter vertically. Then it will appear on the upper story as well.

If we could set a different cut plane for each View then that might work in some situations. I was not aware that this could be done. Othewise, no. Changing the cut plane affects too many other things like line types...

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 18:50:20 GMT

Saved Views store the current Floor Plan Cut Plane Settings.

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

Steve Jepson — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 20:18:40 GMT

Thanks Laszlo,
It does change the line types for what is displayed above and below the cut plane which is not always convienient to change for the sake of a different cut plane.

I would still like to be able to display walls on All Stories as we can do with beams, shells, slabs, mesh, morphs...

My main reaons for wanting this is because none of those things is only what they are called. I model all sorts fo things with walls. Things I would like to see on all stories and control visibility with layers.

I would like to know what reason is there to restrict walls from having a Show on All Stroies option. How is it useful to restric the dispaly of walls that way?

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:21:07 GMT

Yes, I am with you on that.
I would like to have the ability to display all elements types on any combination of Stories I specify and also have the ability to specify what attributes (fills, line types, pens) the given element is displayed with on any of those stories. Something like an optional per story or per story range 2d display setting.

Re: WALLS - "Home Story only" and "All Releva

Steve Jepson — Mon, 16 Mar 2015 22:10:55 GMT

So do you think it is some kind of oversight that walls can not be displayed on all stories or is it intentional for some special purpose ?