topic Re: Legacy Preference in Modeling

Legacy Preference

Too Long — Tue, 09 May 2023 14:16:40 GMT

Hi guys.

I work it a small business whos archicad template was built in AC13 and never developed for the following releases but rather just opened in the new version of archicad and saved.

The issue I have is with the Legacy feature.

When the legacy feature is on the beams dont intersect correctly.
When turning off the legacy feature the beams work correctly but all of the walls disappear in elevation.

Can anyone tell me why and how to fix this please?

Thanks.

Re: Legacy Prefernce

Barry Kelly — Wed, 01 Jul 2020 05:08:16 GMT

They shouldn't disappear unless they are being trimmed by some other element that has a stronger building material.
It could even be trimmed by an element in a layer that is hidden.

Also check that you do not have duplicate walls in the same space.
They can trim each other away so you will not see them in 3D.
The trims do not show in plan which is why you still see the walls there.

Barry.

Re: Legacy Prefernce

Too Long — Wed, 01 Jul 2020 05:27:22 GMT

Thanks Barry. But theres no walls at all in elevation. They just disappear.

Re: Legacy Prefernce

Barry Kelly — Wed, 01 Jul 2020 05:41:38 GMT

Also check that your elevation does not have a renovation filter active that is hiding elements.

Barry.

Re: Legacy Preference

Too Long — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 22:06:30 GMT

Hi Barry. Definitely not trimming and not the renovation status either.

The elevation view has "show all elements" set for the renovation status. I have drawn two separate walls, one set to New and the other set to Existing and they both disappear when the legacy settings are turned off.

Thanks for your help so far but do you have any other ideas at all?

Re: Legacy Preference

Barry Kelly — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 01:23:36 GMT

So you see the walls in plan and 3D as well?
But they disappear in elevation.

Is the elevation heights limited and the walls are outside of this range?
Not sure why legacy would affect that though - I am just guessing a possible cause.

Otherwise I think I will have to see the file to try and figure it out.
Can you 'Save As' and delete everything except the walls that don't show?
Then zip the file and attach it here or share it in the cloud somewhere.

Barry.

Re: Legacy Preference

Too Long — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 02:51:18 GMT

Hi Barry.

Please see the below link to the PLN.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mz8vomojf8pjkf8/Template%20Legacy.pln?dl=0

Thanks again.

Re: Legacy Preference

Barry Kelly — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 03:30:12 GMT

Got the file - thanks.

I am overlooking something that I can't put my finger on (it has been a long week!).

Your walls are there in elevation - you can select them.

However it seems they do not have any perimeter lines in 3D.
So you can see the surface but not the edges.
Your elevations are set not to show the surface colours, so you are not seeing anything at all.

If I copy your wall to my file, the perimeter lines are missing in 3D.
If I copy one of my walls to your file it is fine and shows in elevation.

So the thing I can't put my finger on is why your walls have no perimeter lines.
It is something so obvious I am just overlooking it, or it is indeed a glitch.
Does anybody else have any ideas?

Barry.

Re: Legacy Preference

Barry Kelly — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 03:58:42 GMT

It has something to do with your building materials.
Note, building materials didn't exist in 13.

If I duplicate one of your BMs and than add that as a new skin to your composite, it still doesn't show.

But if I create a new BM without duplicating, it works fine, even when I set it to use the same settings as your BM.

Barry.

Re: Legacy Preference

Barry Kelly — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 04:01:18 GMT

Just had a thought and it worked.
Start Archicad, then go to the FILE menu and choose open.
Browse for your file but tick the "Open & Repair" option.

It will say something has been repaired (but not what exactly) and your walls will now have perimeters again in 3D.

Barry.

Re: Legacy Preference

Too Long — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 04:16:44 GMT

We're so close I can almost taste it but that didnt work for me.

But I uploaded the repair file. Would you mind checking if it works for you please?

Thanks for all your help.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ew62ltngs2l4ove/AACgt-l0oULWlahs3LTV3iFVa?dl=0

Re: Legacy Preference

Barry Kelly — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 04:29:51 GMT

Yep, worked perfectly for me, except I don't have the 4D library.

I opened it in 23, is that the version you are using?

Barry.

Re: Legacy Preference

Too Long — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 04:39:33 GMT

Yep 23.

Weird.....
It wouldnt be the library would it?

Re: Legacy Preference

Too Long — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 04:42:36 GMT

So the wall are there just not visible, as in o outlines like you said.

Re: Legacy Preference

Barry Kelly — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 04:47:36 GMT

That last file you sent (7234KB) opened fine for me.
It shouldn't have anything to do with the library.

Make sure you have the latest build for 23 (4006).

Maybe shut Archicad down and reopen the file you just sent.

Barry.

Re: Legacy Preference

Too Long — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 04:58:25 GMT

Hmmm...

I restarted the machine and still nothing.

Ive even used a complex profile to see if that work and nada.

Re: Legacy Preference

Barry Kelly — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 05:10:11 GMT

Are you sure you are opening the repaired file?
Maybe try the repair again.
As soon as I did the repair, got the message something was fixed, the elevation was fine.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/splgf0g693s77k9/Template%20Legacy%20-%20returned.pln?dl=0

Here is the file you sent, I have re-saved it.

Barry.

Re: Legacy Preference

Too Long — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 06:48:29 GMT

Yours worked perfectly...Thanks.

I did open the repaired file because I saved-as when prompted.

i even repaired the repaired file and still nothing but yours is working perfectly.

Now to see if I can get the template to work.

Thanks Barry, outstanding effort.

Re: Legacy Preference

Liamthanks — Wed, 18 Nov 2020 09:37:18 GMT

Hi there.

Just wondering if you ever solved this issue?

I am doing some drawings for a company and they use Version 20 however still had the legacy settings turned om, which was a pain to deal with due to all the lines that appear on elevation.

I have turned off all the settings and am now having the same issues as yourself. Also with the roof planes on plan view - they just don't show, however the roof can still be selected.

Very frustrating, so would love to know how to rectify this in the interim until the company moves to 24.

Thanks.

Re: Legacy Preference

Barry Kelly — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 01:54:53 GMT

Liamthanks wrote:
Very frustrating, so would love to know how to rectify this in the interim until the company moves to 24.

Did you try the file repair option?
That is what worked when I tried.

Barry.