topic Re: Graphic Override problem in Modeling

Graphic Override problem

Richard Morrison — Wed, 24 May 2023 10:41:27 GMT

I just downloaded and installed the 5011 update to AC20, mostly in response to "215625 MODEL: "Show on Renovation Filter" couldn't be added as a graphic override criteria."

I'm thinking, great, they got this fixed so now I CAN add the renovation filter as a graphic override filter. However, it appears that the GS solution was just to eliminate Renovation Filters from GO's. (?!)

I want to do a very simple thing. Show NEW composite walls as a single solid fill in plan without changing other fills for other cut elements. I don't see how to do this since I can't isolate Walls as an element type in the Renovation Filters, and I can't isolate NEW items in G.O.'s. Suggestions?

Re: Graphic Override problem

David Maudlin — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 13:39:14 GMT

Richard:

I accomplished something similar by using the Element ID as a criteria (does not need to be the entire ID, there are options for using part of the ID).

David

Re: Graphic Override problem

Richard Morrison — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 15:41:21 GMT

Thanks, David. In this case, I'm trying to get fills for sections of walls that have been automatically filled in by the removal of window and doors, so they are part of a single existing wall. I don't think there is a separate ID for these, unless I've missed something. (Which is possible, of course.) This seems like such a basic thing, that I'm very surprised it seems so difficult.

I haven't spent a huge amount of time on GO's, but maybe the solution is to use Renovation Filters to turn ALL cut fills to what I want, and then turn everything BUT walls back to their original using GO's. This seems like the wrong way to do it, though.

Re: Graphic Override problem

Laszlo Nagy — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 13:05:53 GMT

Richard,

I think "Renovation Status" will not be available as a GO (Graphic Override) Rule Criteria because if it were, there could be clashes between overrides applied by the GO Rule and overrides applied by the Reno Filter.
Also, Reno Filter overrides are applied only when the Reno Filter is set to "Override" for element with "New" Reno Status, which means it is not controlled from the GO Dialog. This means that even if you defined a GO Rule Criteria which had "Reno Status" as one of the values in its definition, you would still not see the result, if the Reno Filter Dialog had the "Show" value set for "New" elements. Also, if the Reno Filter Dialog had the "Override" value set for "New" elements, not only your "New" Walls would be overridden, but all "New" elements, which I think is not what you want. So and override is applied to all "New" elements or none.
I think the technology behind how Reno Statuses and Filters work would have to be changed to make this possible, and I don't know if GRAPHISOFT would want to do that.

I think there are solution just as good. Using the Element ID is one such solution. Since the Element ID in many cases is used for other purposes, I would probably create a new Property for Walls in the Property Manager Dialog, give it a distinguishable name ("Renovation Phase" or something similar), define an Option Set for it ("Existing", "To be Demolished", "New" or whatever you wish) and use that Wall Property as criteria in my GO Rule.

Regarding your need to fill only portions of Walls: I don't think there is any automatic solution to that because overrides can override only whole elements, but not portions of elements or only skins of composite or complex elements.

Re: Graphic Override problem

David Maudlin — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 13:55:49 GMT

Richard:

The Renovation Filters can be overridden by other Rules, but I am not clear about what you are trying to accomplish. Try posting an image with notes, maybe someone will have a solution.

David

Re: Graphic Override problem

Laszlo Nagy — Wed, 06 Sep 2017 23:51:03 GMT

Fortunately, I was wrong. The "Renovation Status" parameter of elements is now available as Graphic Override Criterion in the Graphic Override Rules Dialog of ARCHICAD 21:

https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/tips/archicad/archicad-21-small-improvements/#Use_Renovation_Status_as_Criterion_in_Graphic_Override_Rules

laszlonagy wrote:
Richard,

I think "Renovation Status" will not be available as a GO (Graphic Override) Rule Criteria because if it were, there could be clashes between overrides applied by the GO Rule and overrides applied by the Reno Filter.
Also, Reno Filter overrides are applied only when the Reno Filter is set to "Override" for element with "New" Reno Status, which means it is not controlled from the GO Dialog. This means that even if you defined a GO Rule Criteria which had "Reno Status" as one of the values in its definition, you would still not see the result, if the Reno Filter Dialog had the "Show" value set for "New" elements. Also, if the Reno Filter Dialog had the "Override" value set for "New" elements, not only your "New" Walls would be overridden, but all "New" elements, which I think is not what you want. So and override is applied to all "New" elements or none.
I think the technology behind how Reno Statuses and Filters work would have to be changed to make this possible, and I don't know if GRAPHISOFT would want to do that.

I think there are solution just as good. Using the Element ID is one such solution. Since the Element ID in many cases is used for other purposes, I would probably create a new Property for Walls in the Property Manager Dialog, give it a distinguishable name ("Renovation Phase" or something similar), define an Option Set for it ("Existing", "To be Demolished", "New" or whatever you wish) and use that Wall Property as criteria in my GO Rule.

Regarding your need to fill only portions of Walls: I don't think there is any automatic solution to that because overrides can override only whole elements, but not portions of elements or only skins of composite or complex elements.

Re: Graphic Override problem

Richard Morrison — Wed, 06 Sep 2017 23:59:13 GMT

Thanks, Laszlo! This issue had fallen off my radar, and I missed this subtle (but important) new feature. I'm amazed and impressed that you were able to find and come back to this issue!

Re: Graphic Override problem

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 00:01:27 GMT

It was not very hard, Google found it for me as well as all 3 others where this was mentioned.

Re: Graphic Override problem

Anonymous — Fri, 07 Dec 2018 16:25:57 GMT

So do I understand this solution correctly, in that, it requires defining a new property and then essentially having to nominate the renovation status for each item twice? Is there an automatic solution that only requires setting the renovation status once?

Re: Graphic Override problem

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 07 Dec 2018 16:41:22 GMT

No, since ARCHICAD 21, the "Renovation Status" parameter of elements is available as Graphic Override Criterion in the Graphic Override Rules Dialog, so you can use that.
The previous workaround was for cases before that became available.