topic Re: ARCHICAD 24 vs. previous versions. in Modeling

ARCHICAD 24 vs. previous versions.

Anonymous — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 23:09:58 GMT

I've been around since the very first version of ARCHICAD for Windows (4.16, I think) and went through a few crucial ARCHICAD milestones of my own, with my personal favorites being:

AC21 — IFC improvements culminating in Integrated Collision Detection
AC17 — Building Materials and Priority Based Connections
AC16 — 3D editing, and Energy Evaluation
AC15 — Renovation workflow
AC13 — BIM Delta Server
AC5.1 — First Teamwork

But, AC24 is by far the most comprehensive version upgrade I have witnessed...
It will take me some time to go over all the new features, but PARAM-O, Python API, Revit references and Structural Analytical Models are coming into our practices with a loud "bang!" already...

@Graphisoft — Thank you for making ARCHICAD the application it now is. I wish you all the BIM awards this year! The application is definitely worth it.

Re: ARCHICAD 24 vs. previous versions.

jl_lt — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 03:07:28 GMT

Wow, you have been there all the way, talk about a journey!

And the paramo modelling environment looks very promising. i dont want to make myself too many expectations, but I can totally see myself working in the conceptual stages using just node based grids and information parameters, and then instead of having parametric objects (mehh) i would rahter work with true parametric buildings (excitementness!)

Lets see what can be done in there

Re: ARCHICAD 24 vs. previous versions.

Christophe Fortineau — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 14:32:04 GMT

Hello Anton Kazmin,

I agree with Anton, Archicad 24 is by far the most relevant version since Archicad 17 and its materials manager. Nice job Graphisoft.

By cons graphic communication level, I admit that the new logo and heterogeneous illustrations make this new identity questionable.

Re: ARCHICAD 24 vs. previous versions.

Anonymous — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 14:39:44 GMT

Christophe wrote:
By cons graphic communication level, I admit that the new logo and heterogeneous illustrations make this new identity questionable.

I hope the new GS web site will not be considered for BIM award evaluations...

Re: ARCHICAD 24 vs. previous versions.

Rex Maximilian — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 18:12:12 GMT

No Mac version of PARAM-O. Oh no! This upgrade seems to benefit the larger firm users who collaborate a lot. But for the solo architect, it seems to be lacking a lot of new bread and butter features as previous versions did.

Re: ARCHICAD 24 vs. previous versions.

Robert Nichols — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 19:47:31 GMT

You're kidding? No Mac version??

Re: ARCHICAD 24 vs. previous versions.

runxel — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 20:07:53 GMT

Yes yes, no Mac version of Param-o as of today. But it was stated today they will deliver it with an update of Archicad 24.

But don't be annoyed! Let the Win user find the bugs and GS will iron them out 😉
Param-O seems to be the result of just someone playing internally, getting leaked here, and suddenly it results in overwhelming positive feeback. You can't actually do that much at the moment with it. It's not like they already have every GDL command in there at the moment. Heck, there aren't even hotspots or 2d stuff right now!
It's promising, tho, but needs a lot of polishing. Hopefully we don't see it being neglected like .... well you know.

Re: ARCHICAD 24 vs. previous versions.

Robert Nichols — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 20:57:57 GMT

O. Thanks, Runxel. I'm mostly curious. I suspect at the beginning my GDL skills will outrun the new tool, but it will be nice to have another option.

I'm curious - what is Sublime Text plugin?

Re: ARCHICAD 24 vs. previous versions.

Barry Kelly — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 00:48:41 GMT

Robert wrote:
I'm curious - what is Sublime Text plugin?

Going a bit off topic here.
Follow the link in Runxel's signature or search these forums for "sublime" or start a new post in the 'Other Products' section may be best.

Barry.

Re: ARCHICAD 24 vs. previous versions.

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 15:39:02 GMT

Robert wrote:
You're kidding? No Mac version??

No Mac version of Param-O "yet". Akos Pfemeter (and others) note in the presentations that the Mac version of Param-O will arrive in an update later this year. He called the version included with the Windows release an "Alpha" version of Param-O.

As a Mac user, I find this disappointing as well ... but can imagine that with something involving uniquely new graphically interactive code like Param-O, it is more efficient for the developers to polish one code base to at least beta or release status before fully porting to Mac.

As a glass half full person... at least they released 24 now, rather than waiting 3 months in order to release it with Mac Param-O 🙂

Re: ARCHICAD 24 vs. previous versions.

Richard Morrison — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 18:07:26 GMT

It's worth pointing out that the MEP modeler is now included in the base package, which represents hundreds of dollars for a previous add-on. While not every small firm is going to use this, this is not something that is exclusively used by large firms, and could be useful even in a higher-end residential small practice. I haven't really dug into the new issue management scheme and the new Transmittal Sets, but I could see this as also being relevant to a small firm. Model checking and model compare could also be potentially useful. I'm willing to give the new features a chance to settle in before labeling them as completely irrelevant to a small practice.

Re: ARCHICAD 24 vs. previous versions.

Bricklyne Clarence — Fri, 20 Nov 2020 06:40:55 GMT

Karl wrote:

Robert wrote:
You're kidding? No Mac version??
No Mac version of Param-O "yet". Akos Pfemeter (and others) note in the presentations that the Mac version of Param-O will arrive in an update later this year. He called the version included with the Windows release an "Alpha" version of Param-O.

As a Mac user, I find this disappointing as well ... but can imagine that with something involving uniquely new graphically interactive code like Param-O, it is more efficient for the developers to polish one code base to at least beta or release status before fully porting to Mac.

As a glass half full person... at least they released 24 now, rather than waiting 3 months in order to release it with Mac Param-O 🙂

OR....

....here's a crazy thought....

...or they could just wait and release it when it's fully ready and stable.
For ALL users.
Even if that meant waiting an entire year for another version.

Rather than using one side of the divide as Beta-testers and sacrificial lambs for a tool that's not fully mature, and if anything just risks depressing any interest or future enthusiasm in and for it.

Just saying.

But then again if they did that, they'd not really have anything much to show for this version, in terms of new features. Outside of tools for structural engineers and the architects who have a specific and unique workflow with them, that is.

And therein lies the rub.