topic Re: Update all views in Modeling

Update all views

Tom Krowka — Thu, 25 May 2023 16:16:37 GMT

How does one update all the views with their appropriate saved layer states in one operation, without someone sitting at the computer opening each view.
I was under the impression that "rebuild all s/e from model" would rebuild the view using that particular view's layer state. I believe I have discovered, to my dismay, that indeed the view gets rebuilt, but with the layer state that is open on the floor plan at the time the command is executed.
I've got a bunch of views that I want to update before I publish and print. How do I do that? It takes a couple of hours to update them all.

The elevations take 10 minutes to update under the command noted above. Is that normal? Hatching (fills) are on.

Re: Update all views

Tom Krowka — Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:25:53 GMT

If I update layouts through the drawing manager, will AC update views?

Re: Update all views

Anonymous — Thu, 09 Nov 2006 19:45:41 GMT

Tom wrote:
...the view gets rebuilt, but with the layer state that is open on the floor plan at the time the command is executed.
....

That shouldn't happen if you have saved Layer Combinations and have them assigned to the views. Have you done this?

Re: Update all views

Tom Krowka — Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:09:37 GMT

Done that. Have the SE windows set for manual rebuild. Am trying to update all the windows at the same time, using the rebuild all se windows, to their most current look with their appropriate layer combos.
AC is using the layer combo for the floor plan that is open.

Re: Update all views

Thomas Holm — Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:31:21 GMT

Tom wrote:
If I update layouts through the drawing manager, will AC update views?

I does for me. Sometimes I swear, when all I needed was one (1) view to update in a layout. Have you tried this (and note, if you have your layer combos set up and saved wiht the views, they should all show the layers originally assigned)

Re: Update all views

__archiben — Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:58:51 GMT

s2art wrote:
Tom wrote:
...the view gets rebuilt, but with the layer state that is open on the floor plan at the time the command is executed.
....
That shouldn't happen if you have saved Layer Combinations and have them assigned to the views. Have you done this?

it should: because you're not rebuilding views - you are rebuilding the model in the sect/elev windows. and to do that archicad uses the current layers, model view options, etc ...

if you want to automatically update your placed sect/elev views on layouts you will need to set them all to autorebuild and use the drawing manager to 'update'. archicad will then open each placed view in turn, rebuild with the correct view settings, and import the data into layout...

if - like me - your autorebuild sect/elevs take too long to rebuild whilst working and you have them set to 'manual rebuild' you will need to either change this setting for the update (remembering of course to switch it back); open each sect/elev view individually and choose 'rebuild from model' for each; or batch update by opening a specific view, selecting all other sect/elev views that contain identical view settings, and choosing 'rebuild selected from model'.

~/archiben

Re: Update all views

Thomas Holm — Sat, 11 Nov 2006 22:55:50 GMT

I'm beginning to think the problem is Navigator confusion. Maybe you should check out the Navigator's three modes a little more, in your projcet, and in the Help files and docs.
the leftmost contains icons to click on, to open windows for available window modes: floor plans/stories, sections and elevations placed on the floor plan, and cameras placed on the floor plan. These are "generic" in the sense that they accept the current layer set from the last opened window.

The next pane/mode of the Navigator shows Saved and named views. You decide what settings you save with them, for example layer combinations. If you double-click on one of these, it will open with its previously set layer combo, not the one you had in the last opened window.

And the third pane/mode of the Navigator shows Layouts. if you double-click they oppen, but if you just click on them you will see what Saved Views each layout contains, if any.

And if you open the Organizer, you get two open navigator panes at once, and you can drag saved views into the layouts you want.

Re: Update all views

Anonymous — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 18:06:56 GMT

How fast or slow is 10 rebuilding views compared with 9 publishing PMKs.

I ask this because in 9 one could not work with linked views. It's much to slow for a decent job (30,000 sq ft 3 story mixed building with 50 30x42 packed drawigs)

Re: Update all views

TomWaltz — Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:35:07 GMT

Adalbert wrote:
How fast or slow is 10 rebuilding views compared with 9 publishing PMKs.

I ask this because in 9 one could not work with linked views. It's much to slow for a decent job (30,000 sq ft 3 story mixed building with 50 30x42 packed drawigs)

I've found them to be noticeably faster. I never thought I would leave my beloved PMKs behind, but this release changed my mind.

Yes, it's still buggy. Once in a while when updating from an outside file, the update will crash the session running the outside file. I've never had a problem could not be solved by quitting all sessions of Archicad, reopening the Layout file, and hitting "Update" again.

I just completed a 150,000 SF, 3 story building (50,000 SF / floor) and had very few problems with it.

Re: Update all views

Anonymous — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 00:22:57 GMT

Thanks,

So AC10 is faster then AC9 publishing PMKs, this is a fact.

In as 9 I am on a network the plp is on the server I work from a plc and publish from it. In AC10 will be the same AC10 PLP will be on a network.

Again, you are stating that network linked views in AC10 are regenerated faster then publishing PMKs over the network from AC9. Is this what you are stating?

Re: Update all views

TomWaltz — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 00:54:25 GMT

Adalbert wrote:
Thanks,

So AC10 is faster then AC9 publishing PMKs, this is a fact.

In as 9 I am on a network the plp is on the server I work from a plc and publish from it. In AC10 will be the same AC10 PLP will be on a network.

Again, you are stating that network linked views in AC10 are regenerated faster then publishing PMKs over the network from AC9. Is this what you are stating?

That's been my experience, yes, on Apple G5 Dual 2.0 GHz machines with gigabit ethernet to a Linux file server.

I would say that for each file, the live links are only perhaps 5% or 10% faster if you updated the entire project at one time. In this case, a primary improvement was projects that had 3 or 4 PLNs for varous purposes. Archicad 10 would open each one and update from it in sequence.

The biggest benefits came from the one-sie two-sie approach of updating a view here and a view there that is much more common in production. It was much faster and easier for Archicad to open the other file and update it that it was for me to manually do so, locate the correct view, and republish. I kind of developed the habit of opening both the layout file and the building file in different sessions. In that case, the update is extremely fast.

My biggest complaint was that, like AC9, you still are kind of stuck waiting while a file updates.

Re: Update all views

Anonymous — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 02:38:40 GMT

Tom.

Thank you for the detailed answer.

In the mean time I have remembered was was my main complain with linked filed in AC9. In order to update the linked file 1st I had to send and receive changes from the PLC to the PLT. This became annoying a clear waste of time an extra step compared to publishing PMKs. Is this the same way in AC10, you must send and receive changes before regenerating linked files.

Re: Update all views

TomWaltz — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 03:01:04 GMT

Adalbert wrote:
Tom.

Thank you for the detailed answer.

In the mean time I have remembered was was my main complain with linked filed in AC9. In order to update the linked file 1st I had to send and receive changes from the PLC to the PLT. This became annoying a clear waste of time an extra step compared to publishing PMKs. Is this the same way in AC10, you must send and receive changes before regenerating linked files.

If you have your PLC open at the time you are updating the Layout, the Layout "short cuts" to your PLC and would pick up your current PLC, ignoring changes other users made to the PLP.

If you do not have the PLC open in Archicad when you are updating the layouts, the layouts will look to the PLP to update.

I think that's a mixed thing, since if you do not send & receive, you could be missing the work of others on the team still working.

Re: Update all views

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:33:16 GMT

I my opinion this is an improvement from a time management point of view. The ideal for a small office would be to work on the same project at the same time who grabs firs an item is his. All this is possible with a firewire network.

Firewire 400 gives you 400Mbps and Firewire 800 gives you 800Mbps. Both Windows XP and Mac OS X.3+ support IP over firewire natively. You just have to add the connection yourself in windows and in OS X, it'll be under the area where you select 'built-in ethernet', 'airport', 'modem', etc. Give one an IP of 192.168.x.y and give the other an IP of 192.168.x.z and you'll be set. Use whatever filesharing method you like the most.

GS must wake up and implement a deferent way of working this as a second opinion for small offices.

Re: Update all views

Tom Krowka — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:25:30 GMT

Getting more confused by the day. Can't believe I'm having this problem. Manual rebuild causes major issues. I'm looking to rebuild all manual rebuild views to their saved layer combos at once, without opening each one separately and then hit rebuild. Very very time consuming. Then one has to update the layouts. More time sitting around watching the computer plug and chug.

it should: because you're not rebuilding views - you are rebuilding the model in the sect/elev windows. and to do that archicad uses the current layers, model view options, etc ...

Current layers meaning the floor plan current layer or the view layer combo?

if you want to automatically update your placed sect/elev views on layouts you will need to set them all to autorebuild and use the drawing manager to 'update'. archicad will then open each placed view in turn, rebuild with the correct view settings, and import the data into layout...

I've tried this with a small project, and it did not do what you are saying. It used the floor plan view setting. Try it with the roof off in floor plan view and the roof on in elevation view

if - like me - your autorebuild sect/elevs take too long to rebuild whilst working and you have them set to 'manual rebuild' you will need to either change this setting for the update

Tried this also. Changed the setting in drawing manager to auto rebuild, then updated. Still used the wrong layer combo; it was the floor plan combo.