topic Re: things that are broken in AC23 in Modeling

things that are broken in AC23

SenecaDesignLLC — Sat, 28 Sep 2019 01:44:19 GMT

linking railing to roof nodes by association removes posts. this is so stupid
columns only show center node if that is selected as the structural point.

how the H*ll do they mess up the basic things that should not be changed??? Im so un impressed with this version. they are luck there isnt something better yet. there will be if they dont pull their heads out of ......

really they should give us all our money back for this release. this is BS

oh and its by far slower than v22. which ive now reverted back too

step it up graphisoft you set expectations now meet them.

modumate is coming for you. they basically have me at this point. pending pricing and if i can unload these licenses im stuck with.

Re: things that are broken in AC23

Bricklyne Clarence — Sat, 28 Sep 2019 05:20:30 GMT

SenecaDesignLLC wrote:
.......
step it up graphisoft you set expectations now meet them.

modumate is coming for you. they basically have me at this point. pending pricing and if i can unload these licenses im stuck with.

hhhhm.....

Interesting.
How did I not know about this before now?
I love their sales pitch.....

"You’re an architect. You’re a builder and an artist. And on average, you spend 5 hours a day designing buildings. You deserve a beautiful, refined, delightful experience."

Once upon a time, (......a very very looong time ago),...... Graphisoft used to think like this also and treat their customers likewise.
Seems like ancient history now.

I'll be sure to be checking this out when they do release it.

Re: things that are broken in AC23

rob2218 — Sat, 28 Sep 2019 21:08:46 GMT

here's something else that's (well) not broken but terrible.
The "speed". Yes, it is indeed much much slower than AC22............sorry folks...but it is.

Re: things that are broken in AC23

Eduardo Rolon — Sat, 28 Sep 2019 21:49:15 GMT

Actually I find it faster than 22 so your perception might vary.

Re: things that are broken in AC23

rob2218 — Sun, 29 Sep 2019 16:22:08 GMT

Not really.....its slow to load up. slow to create different view types....plan, elevation, section. Just overall, its "slower" than AC22. Read the other comments on it's speed. I'll concur with the folks who have experienced AC23's slowdown functionalities.

Re: things that are broken in AC23

Eduardo Rolon — Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:53:31 GMT

That is why I said perceptions vary, have been using both for the last 6 months and speed (except for one issue during beta) has not seem slow . Try turning off Tab previews to see if it improves.

Re: things that are broken in AC23

Bricklyne Clarence — Sun, 29 Sep 2019 21:14:13 GMT

Might it also not be an issue or a case of people being on different machine types and OS platforms getting different experiences and thus having this differing perceptions?

I see you're both on Mac and OSX platforms, so there might be other reasons or causes.
But on the other thread with people complaining about AC23 issues it seems to be quite a few PC folks.

Either way, it's not a good look especially considering the fact that they delayed it's release by almost 4 or 5 months ostensibly to iron out these sort of issues (and they have to have been performance-related issues since this version isn't exactly sporting any new major feature upgrades that one would argue is really affecting how the program performs overall).

Like I said, not a good look, at all.

They're already in a demerit situation with a lot of their customers for the extended delayed release (especially subscription folks).

And then they finally release it and it (seems) buggy and slow.
You're almost broaching ArchiCAD version 8.0 territory here (for anyone old enough to remember what a fiasco that release version was, forcing another version 8.1 to be released to replace it)

Re: things that are broken in AC23

Karl Barker — Mon, 30 Sep 2019 01:34:08 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
Not really.....its slow to load up. slow to create different view types....plan, elevation, section. Just overall, its "slower" than AC22. Read the other comments on it's speed. I'll concur with the folks who have experienced AC23's slowdown functionalities.

Just a little thing, in your signature, you are running windows 7 and OSX 10.9 - are these true? I see that AC23 is not supported on these OS'. Only windows 10 and OSX 13 & 14 are supported.

Re: things that are broken in AC23

Anonymous — Mon, 30 Sep 2019 03:10:54 GMT

I used two Sample Projects to test the results:

1. file open speed

Archicad 22     24.68s
Archicad 22     25.45s

Archicad 23     20.50s
Archicad 23     19.60s

2. the program startup speed

Archicad 22     42.10s
Archicad 22     41.68s

Archicad 23     22.08s
Archicad 23     22.67s

3. Open 2D drawings (PRE-04 Project Presentation)

Archicad 22     64.90s
Archicad 22     63.90s

Archicad 23     61.07s
Archicad 23     59.84s

4. Open the 3D model (3D/ALL)

Archicad 22     9.14s
Archicad 22     8.14s

Archicad 23     5.93s
Archicad 23     6.91s

5, 2D zoom and pan (0.Ground Floor)

Archicad 22 is significantly faster than archicad 23

6. 3D zoom and pan (3D / ALL)

Archicad 23 faster than archicad 22

7. GDL hotspot editing speed

Archicad 22 faster than archicad 23

Conclusion: Archicad 22 is significantly faster than archicad 23 in drawing graphics. I don't know why, I updated my graphics driver and the problem still exists.So the end user experience is that archicad 23 is slower than archicad 22.

Sample Projects:https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/knowledgebase/103415/

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Re: things that are broken in AC23

gavinNZz — Mon, 30 Sep 2019 03:19:53 GMT

SenecaDesignLLC wrote:
modumate is coming for you. they basically have me at this point. pending pricing and if i can unload these licenses im stuck with.

Modumate...being developed using unreal engine. This is the future of BIM. If you take the example of on-line multiplayer games.... 100's of users playing within and manipulating the same environment. Not hard to see how this tech transfers to the BIM world fairly easily. Add onto this Google Strata and you have a fully online solution with more power than you could ever imagine. Cloud based BIM models that can be managed and edited by numerous software and a base engine that already has 1000's of programmers available to build add-ons. I can't wait

I wish Archicad was already there...... but they aren't so I will continue to look elsewhere for the future

Re: things that are broken in AC23

James B — Mon, 30 Sep 2019 04:39:41 GMT

SenecaDesignLLC wrote:
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columns only show center node if that is selected as the structural point...

For single segmented columns, we still show nodes on the corners - like in AC22.
For multi-segmented columns, we only show nodes at the reference axis to avoid having too many nodes visible for every segment. However, corners still have the same snaps, just we hide the nodes to simply the selection, and editing is moved to Edit mode due to complex geometry.
In AC23 we also added snapping to column edges, and show the reference line more clearly in floor plan and in section (showing blue line). In AC22, when the reference axis was on the edge for example, there was no indication of this.

Re: things that are broken in AC23

SenecaDesignLLC — Mon, 30 Sep 2019 21:02:14 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
here's something else that's (well) not broken but terrible.
The "speed". Yes, it is indeed much much slower than AC22............sorry folks...but it is.

its so much slower. ac 22 on my lesser machine is faster than ac23 on my bad a$$ machine... so disapointing

Re: things that are broken in AC23

SenecaDesignLLC — Mon, 30 Sep 2019 21:04:59 GMT

James wrote:

SenecaDesignLLC wrote:
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columns only show center node if that is selected as the structural point...
For single segmented columns, we still show nodes on the corners - like in AC22.
For multi-segmented columns, we only show nodes at the reference axis to avoid having too many nodes visible for every segment. However, corners still have the same snaps, just we hide the nodes to simply the selection, and editing is moved to Edit mode due to complex geometry.
In AC23 we also added snapping to column edges, and show the reference line more clearly in floor plan and in section (showing blue line). In AC22, when the reference axis was on the edge for example, there was no indication of this.

this does help to know. it just sucks when something you use so prominently, and then its just gone.

Re: things that are broken in AC23

SenecaDesignLLC — Mon, 30 Sep 2019 21:12:46 GMT

Bricklyne wrote:
Might it also not be an issue or a case of people being on different machine types and OS platforms getting different experiences and thus having this differing perceptions?

I see you're both on Mac and OSX platforms, so there might be other reasons or causes.
But on the other thread with people complaining about AC23 issues it seems to be quite a few PC folks.

Either way, it's not a good look especially considering the fact that they delayed it's release by almost 4 or 5 months ostensibly to iron out these sort of issues (and they have to have been performance-related issues since this version isn't exactly sporting any new major feature upgrades that one would argue is really affecting how the program performs overall).

Like I said, not a good look, at all.

They're already in a demerit situation with a lot of their customers for the extended delayed release (especially subscription folks).

And then they finally release it and it (seems) buggy and slow.
You're almost broaching ArchiCAD version 8.0 territory here (for anyone old enough to remember what a fiasco that release version was, forcing another version 8.1 to be released to replace it)

not a perception when you test it on three machines with the latest and almost greatest. and ac22 wins on all machines...

Re: things that are broken in AC23

SenecaDesignLLC — Mon, 30 Sep 2019 21:15:47 GMT

the worst part for me, isnt the broken/changed items. but the speed. the reason i even upgraded this year was for the speed of the program. but even if it is "faster" it is in now way a visible difference.

taking that much extra time to release an inferior product blows my mind.

especially with how little they let us know about anything.

Re: things that are broken in AC23

Barry Kelly — Tue, 01 Oct 2019 01:39:54 GMT

The speed issue seems to crop up with every new version released.
Have a look at this post re version 22.

https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=62074

Which in turn links to this post about speed issues in version 20.

https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=59564#p278620

Try adding exceptions to your anti-virus software for Graphisoft program and user folders (not sure about this on MACs - works for PCs).

Or if on a MAC, maybe a clean re-install of the OS as one user suggested?

I have only been testing with 23 so far but haven't noticed any big speed decreases.

Barry.

Re: things that are broken in AC23

Erwin Edel — Tue, 01 Oct 2019 06:46:53 GMT

I've almost never switched my current projects to a new release right away.

There are (sadly) always bugs with every new release and once you've upgraded the downgrade is not always problem free either for a project. Given localisation we are behind the curve anyway with our release.

I might start a new project in the new version if it's not too big in scope, to get a feel for how things are working.

I still have projects that I'm working on in AC20, because I can't be bothered with re-doing the stairs and AC20 is very stable.

Even patches can break things, upgrade when it's convenient and not when you have a deadline due etc

Re: things that are broken in AC23

SenecaDesignLLC — Wed, 02 Oct 2019 00:55:06 GMT

good gosh guys.... speed not an issue. i had just updated my drivers and windows before the install. well using 23 and bit*hing i forget that windows and nvidia have updates alot. that solved my speed issue. im getting like 75 plus fps in 2d and 3d...

file open time is greater but i think thats my custom lib.

but why is the railing tool broken??? i use it for so many things.. thats my disappointment. and it was an instant thing that happened. so how is it that they release the program three months later than usual and things like that are not fixed..?

i know its the first release but stop breaking stuff that worked great please.

Re: things that are broken in AC23

Barry Kelly — Wed, 02 Oct 2019 01:09:28 GMT

SenecaDesignLLC wrote:
but why is the railing tool broken???

The railing only associate with the roof perimeter - not pivot lines or ridges (and the posts don't disappear for me).
This is the same as in 22 as far as I can see.

Barry.

Re: things that are broken in AC23

Erwin Edel — Wed, 02 Oct 2019 06:52:29 GMT

SenecaDesignLLC wrote:
file open time is greater but i think thats my custom lib.

If it's a 'static' library, consider turning it into .lcf format, if you haven't yet.