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    <title>topic Re: Archicad 25 in Modeling</title>
    <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267599#M139653</link>
    <description>Allow me to TRY to solve the mystery. Bear with me, it's a long one, but i hope it makes sense.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Something happened in version 24. Hotfixes started to be called Updates, they had new features added to the software, and they even have articles on the site.Take a look here:&lt;BR /&gt;

&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;A href="https://graphisoft.com/downloads/archicad/updates/archicad-24-update" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text="https://graphisoft.com/downloads/archic ... -24-update"&gt;https://graphisoft.com/downloads/archicad/updates/archicad-24-update&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

Now, the first sentence of that post is this one:
&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;By releasing new capabilities and enhancements with every Archicad update, our users benefit from continuous improvements throughout the year.&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

I think they are shifting the way they make new releases, here is how i think they will do it and why i think it's a good thing.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Every Archicad version, for the past decade, launched with a certain degree of major bugs. Any of you started working with the new version right away? I have never done so. Even resellers don't recommand it. "Finish the project in the version you started working on it", they say. That's because, most of the time, bugs and crashes would be so critical, at the start of the new version cycle, it just wasn't practical to use it in production setup.&lt;BR /&gt;
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What ended up happening: they crammed all the features they could in the 8-10 months they had for development, then tested as much as they could until launch. The rest of the development would be carried out during the next couple months, and applied to the product through hotfixes.&lt;BR /&gt;
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This has two major problems (probably more, depending on which way you look at it, i am just analysing from a commercial/marketing pov): One, You have a faulty program at launch, that frustrates users and helps with a bad company/product rep ... and two, users choose to run an older version of the software, until the new one gets fixed/finished.&lt;BR /&gt;
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How could you fix this? No need to think, Apple has the answer here, and we know Graphisoft loves Apple. A few years back, they used to do the same: cram all the features into new versions of ios and launching them buggy as hell (releasing hotfixes throughout the year), that people just used older versions to be sure they could use their phones (not updating). So they started to develop features modularly, separately, so they could be tested individually and released when they are ready. They then started launching new ios versions with some features "added later in the year".&lt;BR /&gt;
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If you are interested, you can read about it here:
&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;A href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-21/apple-ios-14-features-changes-testing-after-ios-13-bugs" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... os-13-bugs"&gt;https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-21/apple-ios-14-features-changes-testing-after-ios-13-bugs&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

So, here is what i believe is going to happen. They will focus on stability and functionality from day one. Its absolutely imperative to have that if you want to have a product people that sells. This will solve problem one: the program will be usable from day one, with minor, non-production breaking bugs. This in turn, solves problem two: People will stop using the older version, and upgrade, especially since most of us have SSA anyway.&lt;BR /&gt;
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What will happen afterwards is they'll be adding those new features that didn't quite passed QA for launch, throughout the year, as they are ready.&lt;BR /&gt;
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I, for one, would be extremely happy if they do this ... and i think you all should be. Getting a new version with fewer features, but with much fewer bugs during the first months, and getting the rest of the features later is a much better plan than just not using the new version because of X bug, thus losing access to some new features that aren't bugged (i won't mention new versions that reactivated old bugs, but that seems to be a thing lately).</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 23:10:26 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>insideru</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2021-07-07T23:10:26Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267558#M139612</link>
      <description>&lt;DIV class="actalk-migrated-content"&gt;&lt;T&gt;Where can I find a list of what new goodies we can expect in the next version of archicad?&lt;/T&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2021 16:16:30 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267558#M139612</guid>
      <dc:creator>Narska</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-04-26T16:16:30Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267559#M139613</link>
      <description>Not available yet. 25 is in Beta so the people who know are under NDA. Usually the list is published near the AIA convention.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2021 17:17:37 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267559#M139613</guid>
      <dc:creator>Eduardo Rolon</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-04-26T17:17:37Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267560#M139614</link>
      <description>Any new info on AC25 yet?? I never understood why GS is always so hush hush about upcoming features.  A roadmap would be great to have available.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2021 23:52:52 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267560#M139614</guid>
      <dc:creator>MMontgomery</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-03T23:52:52Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267561#M139615</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;MMontgomery wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
Any new info on AC25 yet?? 
&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

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There is some speculation here as to when it is all going to happen.&lt;BR /&gt;
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&lt;A href="https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;amp;t=73635" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text="viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;amp;t=73635"&gt;https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;amp;t=73635&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
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Whether it is correct or not I can't say (or rather I haven't heard anything other than from that post).&lt;BR /&gt;
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Those that know what is included can't say anything until it is announced, so I guess we will just have to wait patiently.&lt;BR /&gt;
There will be a post here as soon as it is announced.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Maybe there will even be an announcement to announce the announcement of the release date and features. &lt;BR /&gt;
I wonder when that will be? &lt;BR /&gt;
(just having a bit of fun  &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_lol.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt; )&lt;BR /&gt;
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Barry.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2021 00:23:14 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267561#M139615</guid>
      <dc:creator>Barry Kelly</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-04T00:23:14Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267562#M139616</link>
      <description>When might the AC25 devkit be available? I cannot find it in Beta site or in ArchicadAPI-site.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2021 08:49:40 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267562#M139616</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-04T08:49:40Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267563#M139617</link>
      <description>Hi VilleR,&lt;BR /&gt;
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In the beta site, there is a separate link for API Downloads. The name of the link is "Download DevKits". It is next to the "Download Archicad" and "Download Goodies" links.</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2021 23:15:12 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267563#M139617</guid>
      <dc:creator>Laszlo Nagy</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-06T23:15:12Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267564#M139618</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;LaszloNagy wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
Hi VilleR,&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
In the beta site, .......... "Download DevKits". It is next to the "Download Archicad" and "Download Goodies" links.
&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

No I don't think so - unless you have special permission.?? Are we talking about two different things?? Very confusing.  I agree that lack of access to the 25 devkit beta is a MAJOR mistake.</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2021 23:55:52 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267564#M139618</guid>
      <dc:creator>poco2013</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-06T23:55:52Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267565#M139619</link>
      <description>Ah, sorry, I did not think about that.&lt;BR /&gt;
Maybe not everyone has the same downloads available.&lt;BR /&gt;
I am on the beta site with a Graphisoft company registration, not as a regular beta tester.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2021 00:57:17 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267565#M139619</guid>
      <dc:creator>Laszlo Nagy</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-07T00:57:17Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267566#M139620</link>
      <description>I remember last few times I joined the beta, that the DevKit is not automatically available. But I didn't get in this year, so what do I know?</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2021 06:30:51 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267566#M139620</guid>
      <dc:creator>stefan</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-11T06:30:51Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267567#M139621</link>
      <description>Any news about the release of version 25 or its announcement?</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2021 08:44:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267567#M139621</guid>
      <dc:creator>Darwuhr</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-16T08:44:42Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267568#M139622</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Darwuhr wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
Any news about the release of version 25 or its announcement?
&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

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As in the other post most are saying July 7th will be the announcement.&lt;BR /&gt;
June 7th has been and gone - so I think that was just a mistake (or wishful thinking).&lt;BR /&gt;
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I am sure when there is an official announcement from Graphisoft HQ, we will all know about it.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Barry.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:03:33 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267568#M139622</guid>
      <dc:creator>Barry Kelly</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-16T09:03:33Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267569#M139623</link>
      <description>7th of June was the wrong date of Archicad release from one Russian distributor website. They probably made a mistake, that later been fixed to the 7th of July.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Do you see how Russian hackers trying to disturb Archicad releases?</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2021 12:26:01 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267569#M139623</guid>
      <dc:creator>Podolsky</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-16T12:26:01Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267570#M139624</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;MMontgomery wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
Any new info on AC25 yet?? I never understood why GS is always so hush hush about upcoming features.  A roadmap would be great to have available.
&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

A public roadmap means you are now accountable. Better not to say what you're working on that way no one can complain that you didn't deliver on your promises &lt;E&gt;&lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:"&gt;😉&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/E&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
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But with less cynicism, a public roadmap would be fantastic. It shows commitment and direction on the part of the company. It also gives the customers basis for a meaningful and constructive exchange with the company. Otherwise it's all just speculation and a bunch of disgruntled people complaining about stuff all the time &lt;E&gt;&lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:"&gt;😉&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/E&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2021 20:12:07 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267570#M139624</guid>
      <dc:creator>Professor Pickle</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-24T20:12:07Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267571#M139625</link>
      <description>&lt;A href="https://graphisoft.com/solutions/archicad/archicad-25" target="_blank"&gt;https://graphisoft.com/solutions/archicad/archicad-25&lt;/A&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 09:20:58 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267571#M139625</guid>
      <dc:creator>Srinivas</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T09:20:58Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267572#M139626</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Srinivas wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;A href="https://graphisoft.com/solutions/archicad/archicad-25" target="_blank"&gt;https://graphisoft.com/solutions/archicad/archicad-25&lt;/A&gt;
&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

Thanks! I see even the Spanish version shows already there. Not many improvements to call home about at first sight, though  &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_neutral.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt; &lt;BR /&gt;
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Installing now...&lt;BR /&gt;
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Oopss. It seems the licenceses have not been updated  &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_mad.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 11:45:49 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267572#M139626</guid>
      <dc:creator>Jp1138</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T11:45:49Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267573#M139627</link>
      <description>I am interested in the ability to find and work with elements between 2d and 3D. It doesn’t sound as integrated as in Revit but I’m glad for the effort. It will make life easier in complex models! I do wish for the ability to demolish wall layers in a composite structure and in complex profiles.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 12:39:40 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267573#M139627</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T12:39:40Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267574#M139628</link>
      <description>well, just saw the "new" features video... this is going to get ugly</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 12:54:45 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267574#M139628</guid>
      <dc:creator>jl_lt</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T12:54:45Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267575#M139629</link>
      <description>The EVEREST project was implemented to bring ArchiCAD to the pole position in the market, &lt;BR /&gt;
i can't see how this release can help in the project,</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 13:21:53 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267575#M139629</guid>
      <dc:creator>Ahmed_K</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T13:21:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267576#M139630</link>
      <description>Very weak release</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 13:42:36 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267576#M139630</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T13:42:36Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267577#M139631</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;outpostarc wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
I am interested in the ability to find and work with elements between 2d and 3D.
&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

I tried this new feature and from 3D to 2D it works only if the layer is visible in 2D. The new command doesn't turn on the layer, so it is quite useless.  &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_sad.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt; &lt;BR /&gt;
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This is an embarrassing release.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 14:55:38 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267577#M139631</guid>
      <dc:creator>henryL</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T14:55:38Z</dc:date>
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