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    <title>topic Re: Archicad 25 in Modeling</title>
    <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267614#M139668</link>
    <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;DGSketcher wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
I think a constant drip feeding of updates containing bug fixes, workflow improvements &amp;amp; minor features would be a good strategy. The Big push to upgrade could then be driven by must have new features like internal modules. I share the disappointment of this release, &lt;B&gt;&lt;U&gt;&lt;/U&gt;&lt;/B&gt;&lt;S&gt;&lt;B&gt;&lt;U&gt;&lt;U&gt;&lt;/U&gt;&lt;/U&gt;&lt;/B&gt;&lt;/S&gt;but from the Beta bugs I have a feeling there is some deep restructuring of the code in progress which, hopefully, will bring positive changes in the near future.&lt;E&gt;&lt;/E&gt;
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This is what people say.......EVERY ....year.......particularly beta testers, and the usual coterie of apologists and eternal evangelists from the gospel of GS.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Every.&lt;BR /&gt;
Year!&lt;BR /&gt;
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And yet seemingly every year, over the last couple of versions in particular, the new feature upgrades list per version, of REAL actual functionality improvements (useful to people actually IN architecture and design and small users) seems to be an ever diminishing return and an ever shrinking feature in and of itself.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Just to recap over the last several versions,....since version 22 that had the most significant feature upgrade in the Curtain wall tool getting major revisions and improvements in almost 10 years since it was first introduced, we've had...&lt;BR /&gt;
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Version 23 -  main feature uprgade was that wall hole tool - which, while good, most users had long since already figured out (admittedly clunky) workarounds around that issue.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Version 24 - main feature upgrade was a tool benefitting a whole entire other profession  that are not even primarily Archicad users or architects who work using that workflow (which I'm willing to  bet is the vast majority of users.&lt;BR /&gt;
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And now you have version 25 who's major improvements are upgrades of sorts to the above two features from the previous versions (that either weren't that heavily requested nor are that majorly used) along with a couple of other "tool improvements" which, while not in themselves bad, still make people scratch their heads and wonder, ....&lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;S&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/S&gt;"Is this really what development resources and time and energy is being spent on?"&lt;E&gt;&lt;/E&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
Particularly when there's a whole slew of other legacy issues that continue to go unaddressed while in other areas the program seems to get left way waaay behind by technological improvements on the hardware side that their rivals have already gotten on the bus with (looking at multi-monitor usage and full utilization of modern powerful GPU's.....on BOTH platforms in particular.......as an example)&lt;BR /&gt;
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In fact, I'd even argue that the last version with a really significant tool upgrade - that wasn't just a 'refresh' of an already existing tool, but rather a major revision and particular of one majorly requested over a long time - was version 21 with the major Stair tool and Rail tool upgrades (And even those still have outstanding issues to address beyond what was touched on in this version. Where the hell is a dedicated Ramp tool or ramp feature or function of the same tool for crying out loud? And please don't point me to the limited ramp object in the library.)&lt;BR /&gt;
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And it's been coming for the longest time.&lt;BR /&gt;
Version 20 was largely a (literal) cosmetic upgrade with the interface getting "upgraded"&lt;BR /&gt;
Version 19 was a largely 'under-the-hood' improvements version...&lt;BR /&gt;
v18 was the Cinerender integration which was really work by other people other than GS, but whatever, and then you have to get all the way back to v16 and v17 with the  Morph tool for the other major tool upgrade before that.&lt;BR /&gt;
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....but still,....&lt;BR /&gt;
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We're all just supposed to just have faith ....or something, that something major is in the works for the long term, that's going on behind the scenes or under the hood that they're laying the groundwork for,.....that most of use not in the know or deep in the weeds are simply not aware of.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Just have trust in the plan, have faith .....like it's some religion at this point (.....or a cult  or a  pyramid scheme).&lt;BR /&gt;
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Is it therefore any wonder that more and more people now want an open roadmap for development plans going forward to be published to know exactly what's what and to lay out and see if there really is the makings of any of this "&lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;S&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/S&gt;grand plan&lt;E&gt;&lt;/E&gt;"?&lt;BR /&gt;
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&lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;S&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/S&gt;'I share the disappointment of this release'&lt;E&gt;&lt;/E&gt;,... is going to become the new mantra of new version announcements and releases going forward, methinks.&lt;BR /&gt;
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.....papered over and sugar-sprinkled with,..&lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;S&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/S&gt;'...but have faith. Great stuff is coming up'&lt;E&gt;&lt;/E&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
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Geeez.</description>
    <pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2021 09:02:08 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Bricklyne Clarence</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2021-07-08T09:02:08Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267558#M139612</link>
      <description>&lt;DIV class="actalk-migrated-content"&gt;&lt;T&gt;Where can I find a list of what new goodies we can expect in the next version of archicad?&lt;/T&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2021 16:16:30 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267558#M139612</guid>
      <dc:creator>Narska</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-04-26T16:16:30Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267559#M139613</link>
      <description>Not available yet. 25 is in Beta so the people who know are under NDA. Usually the list is published near the AIA convention.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2021 17:17:37 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267559#M139613</guid>
      <dc:creator>Eduardo Rolon</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-04-26T17:17:37Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267560#M139614</link>
      <description>Any new info on AC25 yet?? I never understood why GS is always so hush hush about upcoming features.  A roadmap would be great to have available.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2021 23:52:52 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267560#M139614</guid>
      <dc:creator>MMontgomery</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-03T23:52:52Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267561#M139615</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;MMontgomery wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
Any new info on AC25 yet?? 
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There is some speculation here as to when it is all going to happen.&lt;BR /&gt;
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&lt;A href="https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;amp;t=73635" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text="viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;amp;t=73635"&gt;https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;amp;t=73635&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
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Whether it is correct or not I can't say (or rather I haven't heard anything other than from that post).&lt;BR /&gt;
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Those that know what is included can't say anything until it is announced, so I guess we will just have to wait patiently.&lt;BR /&gt;
There will be a post here as soon as it is announced.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Maybe there will even be an announcement to announce the announcement of the release date and features. &lt;BR /&gt;
I wonder when that will be? &lt;BR /&gt;
(just having a bit of fun  &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_lol.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt; )&lt;BR /&gt;
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Barry.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2021 00:23:14 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267561#M139615</guid>
      <dc:creator>Barry Kelly</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-04T00:23:14Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267562#M139616</link>
      <description>When might the AC25 devkit be available? I cannot find it in Beta site or in ArchicadAPI-site.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2021 08:49:40 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267562#M139616</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-04T08:49:40Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267563#M139617</link>
      <description>Hi VilleR,&lt;BR /&gt;
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In the beta site, there is a separate link for API Downloads. The name of the link is "Download DevKits". It is next to the "Download Archicad" and "Download Goodies" links.</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2021 23:15:12 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267563#M139617</guid>
      <dc:creator>Laszlo Nagy</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-06T23:15:12Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267564#M139618</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;LaszloNagy wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
Hi VilleR,&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
In the beta site, .......... "Download DevKits". It is next to the "Download Archicad" and "Download Goodies" links.
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No I don't think so - unless you have special permission.?? Are we talking about two different things?? Very confusing.  I agree that lack of access to the 25 devkit beta is a MAJOR mistake.</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2021 23:55:52 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267564#M139618</guid>
      <dc:creator>poco2013</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-06T23:55:52Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267565#M139619</link>
      <description>Ah, sorry, I did not think about that.&lt;BR /&gt;
Maybe not everyone has the same downloads available.&lt;BR /&gt;
I am on the beta site with a Graphisoft company registration, not as a regular beta tester.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2021 00:57:17 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267565#M139619</guid>
      <dc:creator>Laszlo Nagy</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-07T00:57:17Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267566#M139620</link>
      <description>I remember last few times I joined the beta, that the DevKit is not automatically available. But I didn't get in this year, so what do I know?</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2021 06:30:51 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267566#M139620</guid>
      <dc:creator>stefan</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-11T06:30:51Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267567#M139621</link>
      <description>Any news about the release of version 25 or its announcement?</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2021 08:44:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267567#M139621</guid>
      <dc:creator>Darwuhr</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-16T08:44:42Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267568#M139622</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Darwuhr wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
Any news about the release of version 25 or its announcement?
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As in the other post most are saying July 7th will be the announcement.&lt;BR /&gt;
June 7th has been and gone - so I think that was just a mistake (or wishful thinking).&lt;BR /&gt;
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I am sure when there is an official announcement from Graphisoft HQ, we will all know about it.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Barry.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:03:33 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267568#M139622</guid>
      <dc:creator>Barry Kelly</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-16T09:03:33Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267569#M139623</link>
      <description>7th of June was the wrong date of Archicad release from one Russian distributor website. They probably made a mistake, that later been fixed to the 7th of July.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Do you see how Russian hackers trying to disturb Archicad releases?</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2021 12:26:01 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267569#M139623</guid>
      <dc:creator>Podolsky</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-16T12:26:01Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267570#M139624</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;MMontgomery wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
Any new info on AC25 yet?? I never understood why GS is always so hush hush about upcoming features.  A roadmap would be great to have available.
&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

A public roadmap means you are now accountable. Better not to say what you're working on that way no one can complain that you didn't deliver on your promises &lt;E&gt;&lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:"&gt;😉&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/E&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
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But with less cynicism, a public roadmap would be fantastic. It shows commitment and direction on the part of the company. It also gives the customers basis for a meaningful and constructive exchange with the company. Otherwise it's all just speculation and a bunch of disgruntled people complaining about stuff all the time &lt;E&gt;&lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:"&gt;😉&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/E&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2021 20:12:07 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267570#M139624</guid>
      <dc:creator>Professor Pickle</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-24T20:12:07Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267571#M139625</link>
      <description>&lt;A href="https://graphisoft.com/solutions/archicad/archicad-25" target="_blank"&gt;https://graphisoft.com/solutions/archicad/archicad-25&lt;/A&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 09:20:58 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267571#M139625</guid>
      <dc:creator>Srinivas</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T09:20:58Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267572#M139626</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Srinivas wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;A href="https://graphisoft.com/solutions/archicad/archicad-25" target="_blank"&gt;https://graphisoft.com/solutions/archicad/archicad-25&lt;/A&gt;
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Thanks! I see even the Spanish version shows already there. Not many improvements to call home about at first sight, though  &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_neutral.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt; &lt;BR /&gt;
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Installing now...&lt;BR /&gt;
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Oopss. It seems the licenceses have not been updated  &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_mad.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 11:45:49 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267572#M139626</guid>
      <dc:creator>Jp1138</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T11:45:49Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267573#M139627</link>
      <description>I am interested in the ability to find and work with elements between 2d and 3D. It doesn’t sound as integrated as in Revit but I’m glad for the effort. It will make life easier in complex models! I do wish for the ability to demolish wall layers in a composite structure and in complex profiles.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 12:39:40 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267573#M139627</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T12:39:40Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267574#M139628</link>
      <description>well, just saw the "new" features video... this is going to get ugly</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 12:54:45 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267574#M139628</guid>
      <dc:creator>jl_lt</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T12:54:45Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267575#M139629</link>
      <description>The EVEREST project was implemented to bring ArchiCAD to the pole position in the market, &lt;BR /&gt;
i can't see how this release can help in the project,</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 13:21:53 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267575#M139629</guid>
      <dc:creator>Ahmed_K</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T13:21:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267576#M139630</link>
      <description>Very weak release</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 13:42:36 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267576#M139630</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T13:42:36Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267577#M139631</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;outpostarc wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
I am interested in the ability to find and work with elements between 2d and 3D.
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I tried this new feature and from 3D to 2D it works only if the layer is visible in 2D. The new command doesn't turn on the layer, so it is quite useless.  &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_sad.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt; &lt;BR /&gt;
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This is an embarrassing release.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 14:55:38 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267577#M139631</guid>
      <dc:creator>henryL</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T14:55:38Z</dc:date>
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