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    <title>topic Re: Archicad 25 in Modeling</title>
    <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267704#M139758</link>
    <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;DGSketcher wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
Just a little reminder, Sketchup was in the hands of Google for six years and they pretty much did nothing to really develop it from more than a basic modeller. The documenting process was and is I believe still a mess.&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

This is a simplistic (and uncharitable) assessment of Google's period of ownership and custodianship of Sketchup, that undercuts a lot things  that happened and gained by the program.&lt;BR /&gt;
Granted, it probably wasn't the most prudent of investments given where they wanted to take the program compred to where they eventually ended up, but under Google, Sketchup gained the Google (now Trimble) 3D warehouse which is the largest repository of crowdsourced 3D modeled objects from all manner of areas in life - and which are used extensively even with programs and areas other than Sketchup (including ArchiCAD itself).&lt;BR /&gt;
And let's not forget that Graphisoft themselve tried to emulate this initiative with their own BIMcomponents portal, that had......shall we say....mixed results, but nowhere near the same level of success due to them doing things the Graphisoft-ey way (cart before the horse.)&lt;BR /&gt;
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Also an offshoot from the Google ownership was the massive global crowdsourcing of 3D constructed buildings around the world that they would then use to populate their Google 3D maps - at the time - before they switched methodologies to photogrammetry and other means of getting digital 3D information for their map.&lt;BR /&gt;
But out of that, you had some cities and municipalities take advantage of it, and digitize and update their own city 3D maps and databases using those Sketchup models and which to this day are useful for a lot of architects and designers in saving time (where your city authorities were astute and 'on-the--ball' enough to build those databases).&lt;BR /&gt;
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They eventually sold it off to Trimble (for a good price given what they built into it) - which in retrospect was a wise choice since they weren't a good fit, based on what they had hoped to get out of Sketchup versus where they actually wanted to go. Trimble is more closely aligned to the AEC industry and to the extent that Sketchup has seen any major improvements or developments since they bought it out, it lies more at their doorstep since they would be more attuned to what the users want than Google ever could be.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Or at least theoretically should be.&lt;BR /&gt;
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It's not just about having the financial heft and resources to carry out the needed developmental changes.&lt;BR /&gt;
Its also about knowing how best to spend those resources by knowing what needs getting done.&lt;BR /&gt;
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&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;DGSketcher wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;On the Autode$k issue, did the letter make any difference? Have they actually genuinely changed direction? I doubt it, they hold a monopolistic position. There are too many hollow apologists on this planet just now, "&lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;S&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/S&gt;oh we're sorry, we won't do it again and we will learn from what you are saying.&lt;E&gt;&lt;/E&gt;", yeah, right up until the next shareholder meeting....
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Short answer is yes, it did (...in the short term. ....and with caveats) have an effect, and made a differnce with Autodesk.&lt;BR /&gt;
One of the main ones being they've become very proactive in their customer interactions and regarding future development plans (including the publishing of roadmaps - which, we here can only dream of), and emblemified by their establishment of a Trello board for direct customer interaction with, and even a peek into what developers are working on.&lt;BR /&gt;
Trello boards are commonplace these days with Software development companies - or some versions ofthe concept (McNeel has the Serengeti forum in which the principle is the same. You get to interact with developers and get a sneek peek at beta versions and WIP version and have open back-and-forth dialogs and most importantly direct feedback for them before features are locked in. Think of how much that could have saved GS with a lot of the...how shall we say,...half-baked...features in this most recent release that seemed like they were missing just that extra level of  user feedback that the Beta process seems to be failing in providing them).&lt;BR /&gt;
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AS to real concrete comprehensive changes to their system and the programs themselves, we'll have to wait and see the next versions next year which will be the first developed under this open system of back and forth with users, and check to see if they actually take anything on board.&lt;BR /&gt;
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But the implementation of the Trello board itself, and having not just actual developers, but Development heads in constant dialog with not just users but everyday users (and not exclusive the "Key client" types and insider clubs), is a good first step for them, if not a show of good faith that they're listening...&lt;BR /&gt;
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....AND responding&lt;BR /&gt;
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Can we say the same here?&lt;BR /&gt;
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This is not to say that a similar letter will work the same way on this side.&lt;BR /&gt;
For the one thing, we certainly don't have the weight of the big name architects and customers like the Fosters and the Zaha Hadid's to sign on to it and bring along with it the glaring media coverage that Autodesk just couldn't run away from.&lt;BR /&gt;
For another, all that negative media attention had a knock-on effect because Autodesk is a publicly traded company.&lt;BR /&gt;
With shareholders.&lt;BR /&gt;
To answer to.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Who don't like bad reports and press clippings, that tank stock prices and ruin their financial portfolios.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Clearly, with ArchiCAD the situation is different.&lt;BR /&gt;
To whom would the letter be?&lt;BR /&gt;
Graphisoft?&lt;BR /&gt;
But they're owned by Nemetschek.&lt;BR /&gt;
And Nemetschek themselves are serving more in the role of a 'holding' company for all the subsidiaries they own (Maxon, Vectorworks makers, Allpan...) rather than one that's actively involved in the administrative procedures of each company.&lt;BR /&gt;
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So how effective would a letter like that be to them even with any negative press coverage it could bring in its wake?</description>
    <pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2021 16:38:00 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Bricklyne Clarence</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2021-07-16T16:38:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267558#M139612</link>
      <description>&lt;DIV class="actalk-migrated-content"&gt;&lt;T&gt;Where can I find a list of what new goodies we can expect in the next version of archicad?&lt;/T&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2021 16:16:30 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267558#M139612</guid>
      <dc:creator>Narska</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-04-26T16:16:30Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267559#M139613</link>
      <description>Not available yet. 25 is in Beta so the people who know are under NDA. Usually the list is published near the AIA convention.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2021 17:17:37 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267559#M139613</guid>
      <dc:creator>Eduardo Rolon</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-04-26T17:17:37Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267560#M139614</link>
      <description>Any new info on AC25 yet?? I never understood why GS is always so hush hush about upcoming features.  A roadmap would be great to have available.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2021 23:52:52 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267560#M139614</guid>
      <dc:creator>MMontgomery</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-03T23:52:52Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267561#M139615</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;MMontgomery wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
Any new info on AC25 yet?? 
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There is some speculation here as to when it is all going to happen.&lt;BR /&gt;
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&lt;A href="https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;amp;t=73635" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text="viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;amp;t=73635"&gt;https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;amp;t=73635&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
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Whether it is correct or not I can't say (or rather I haven't heard anything other than from that post).&lt;BR /&gt;
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Those that know what is included can't say anything until it is announced, so I guess we will just have to wait patiently.&lt;BR /&gt;
There will be a post here as soon as it is announced.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Maybe there will even be an announcement to announce the announcement of the release date and features. &lt;BR /&gt;
I wonder when that will be? &lt;BR /&gt;
(just having a bit of fun  &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_lol.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt; )&lt;BR /&gt;
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Barry.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2021 00:23:14 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267561#M139615</guid>
      <dc:creator>Barry Kelly</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-04T00:23:14Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267562#M139616</link>
      <description>When might the AC25 devkit be available? I cannot find it in Beta site or in ArchicadAPI-site.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2021 08:49:40 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267562#M139616</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-04T08:49:40Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267563#M139617</link>
      <description>Hi VilleR,&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
In the beta site, there is a separate link for API Downloads. The name of the link is "Download DevKits". It is next to the "Download Archicad" and "Download Goodies" links.</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2021 23:15:12 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267563#M139617</guid>
      <dc:creator>Laszlo Nagy</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-06T23:15:12Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267564#M139618</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;LaszloNagy wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
Hi VilleR,&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
In the beta site, .......... "Download DevKits". It is next to the "Download Archicad" and "Download Goodies" links.
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No I don't think so - unless you have special permission.?? Are we talking about two different things?? Very confusing.  I agree that lack of access to the 25 devkit beta is a MAJOR mistake.</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2021 23:55:52 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267564#M139618</guid>
      <dc:creator>poco2013</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-06T23:55:52Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267565#M139619</link>
      <description>Ah, sorry, I did not think about that.&lt;BR /&gt;
Maybe not everyone has the same downloads available.&lt;BR /&gt;
I am on the beta site with a Graphisoft company registration, not as a regular beta tester.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2021 00:57:17 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267565#M139619</guid>
      <dc:creator>Laszlo Nagy</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-07T00:57:17Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267566#M139620</link>
      <description>I remember last few times I joined the beta, that the DevKit is not automatically available. But I didn't get in this year, so what do I know?</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2021 06:30:51 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267566#M139620</guid>
      <dc:creator>stefan</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-11T06:30:51Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267567#M139621</link>
      <description>Any news about the release of version 25 or its announcement?</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2021 08:44:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267567#M139621</guid>
      <dc:creator>Darwuhr</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-16T08:44:42Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267568#M139622</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Darwuhr wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
Any news about the release of version 25 or its announcement?
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&lt;BR /&gt;
As in the other post most are saying July 7th will be the announcement.&lt;BR /&gt;
June 7th has been and gone - so I think that was just a mistake (or wishful thinking).&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
I am sure when there is an official announcement from Graphisoft HQ, we will all know about it.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Barry.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:03:33 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267568#M139622</guid>
      <dc:creator>Barry Kelly</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-16T09:03:33Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267569#M139623</link>
      <description>7th of June was the wrong date of Archicad release from one Russian distributor website. They probably made a mistake, that later been fixed to the 7th of July.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Do you see how Russian hackers trying to disturb Archicad releases?</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2021 12:26:01 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267569#M139623</guid>
      <dc:creator>Podolsky</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-16T12:26:01Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267570#M139624</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;MMontgomery wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
Any new info on AC25 yet?? I never understood why GS is always so hush hush about upcoming features.  A roadmap would be great to have available.
&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

A public roadmap means you are now accountable. Better not to say what you're working on that way no one can complain that you didn't deliver on your promises &lt;E&gt;&lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:"&gt;😉&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/E&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
But with less cynicism, a public roadmap would be fantastic. It shows commitment and direction on the part of the company. It also gives the customers basis for a meaningful and constructive exchange with the company. Otherwise it's all just speculation and a bunch of disgruntled people complaining about stuff all the time &lt;E&gt;&lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:"&gt;😉&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/E&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2021 20:12:07 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267570#M139624</guid>
      <dc:creator>Professor Pickle</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-24T20:12:07Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267571#M139625</link>
      <description>&lt;A href="https://graphisoft.com/solutions/archicad/archicad-25" target="_blank"&gt;https://graphisoft.com/solutions/archicad/archicad-25&lt;/A&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 09:20:58 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267571#M139625</guid>
      <dc:creator>Srinivas</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T09:20:58Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267572#M139626</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Srinivas wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;A href="https://graphisoft.com/solutions/archicad/archicad-25" target="_blank"&gt;https://graphisoft.com/solutions/archicad/archicad-25&lt;/A&gt;
&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

Thanks! I see even the Spanish version shows already there. Not many improvements to call home about at first sight, though  &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_neutral.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt; &lt;BR /&gt;
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Installing now...&lt;BR /&gt;
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Oopss. It seems the licenceses have not been updated  &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_mad.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 11:45:49 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267572#M139626</guid>
      <dc:creator>Jp1138</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T11:45:49Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267573#M139627</link>
      <description>I am interested in the ability to find and work with elements between 2d and 3D. It doesn’t sound as integrated as in Revit but I’m glad for the effort. It will make life easier in complex models! I do wish for the ability to demolish wall layers in a composite structure and in complex profiles.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 12:39:40 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267573#M139627</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T12:39:40Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267574#M139628</link>
      <description>well, just saw the "new" features video... this is going to get ugly</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 12:54:45 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267574#M139628</guid>
      <dc:creator>jl_lt</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T12:54:45Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267575#M139629</link>
      <description>The EVEREST project was implemented to bring ArchiCAD to the pole position in the market, &lt;BR /&gt;
i can't see how this release can help in the project,</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 13:21:53 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267575#M139629</guid>
      <dc:creator>Ahmed_K</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T13:21:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267576#M139630</link>
      <description>Very weak release</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 13:42:36 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267576#M139630</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T13:42:36Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Archicad 25</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267577#M139631</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;outpostarc wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
I am interested in the ability to find and work with elements between 2d and 3D.
&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

I tried this new feature and from 3D to 2D it works only if the layer is visible in 2D. The new command doesn't turn on the layer, so it is quite useless.  &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_sad.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt; &lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
This is an embarrassing release.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 14:55:38 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Archicad-25/m-p/267577#M139631</guid>
      <dc:creator>henryL</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-07-07T14:55:38Z</dc:date>
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