topic Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types in Modeling

Curtain Wall not changing panel types

Bruce — Tue, 09 May 2023 13:50:32 GMT

I'm pretty sure this is a bug (23.5005):
I've created a curtain wall with 2 panel types. When I edit the wall and try to change a multiple panels from one type to another, the type changes in the selection, but nothing changes on screen. However, if I do them one by one, they change...sometimes.

The only way I can get them to display right is to manually override the surface...which defeats the purpose of having panel types.

See progress screenshots below.

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

Minh Nguyen — Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:53:11 GMT

Hi Bruce,

Thank you for sharing the issue!

I tried to replicate this issue on Archicad 23 INT build 5005, but it did not happen (I'm using Windows 10 by the way). I attached a GIF showing what I did with the curtain wall.

Which Archicad language version are you using? Does it happen frequently, or it only happens randomly/from time to time?

Best regards,
Minh

P/s: for some reason, the GIF is not attached to the post. Here it is:

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

Bruce — Tue, 11 Aug 2020 21:37:45 GMT

Hi Minh,

I am using INT 5005 full, on a Mac with Mojave 10.14.6.

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

Minh Nguyen — Wed, 12 Aug 2020 19:58:55 GMT

Hi Bruce,

I was unable to replicate this issue on macOS 10.14.6. I'm wondering if there is a pattern/method to reproduce this issue? Does the issue happen even with a brand new file?

Best regards,
Minh

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

Bruce — Sun, 16 Aug 2020 22:36:37 GMT

Yes, the issue happens with a brand new file.

I can reproduce the problem in a new file:
- place a new curtain wall using the template default settings (image 1)
- Select wall and enter Edit mode, select a panel 'column' (image 2)
- Change to either Main Panel, or Distinct Panel (whichever one it isn't) (image 3)
- While keeping the same selection, change the panel type back. Nothing happens. (image 4)

I could not reproduce this problem on my PC, only my Mac.

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

Minh Nguyen — Sun, 23 Aug 2020 13:37:33 GMT

Hi Bruce,

I tried with the exact steps you mentioned, using AC23 INT 5005 with macOS 10.14.6, but I could not manage to replicate the issue:

Here is a short video about what I did. All was performed using default template.
What I noticed is that, in the 3rd screenshot, when you choose "Main Panel" for the whole column of panels, it appeared to be Distinct, not Main panel (it should be transparent instead of solid surface). I guess something went wrong there.

Could you reproduce the issue and collect the FastLogger (https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/knowledgebase/63116/) for further investigation?

Thank you very much!

Best regards,
Minh

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

tottoratkai — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 11:18:39 GMT

I have a similar problem, where door panels appear to be entire with one sole surface, instead of the ones given in the settings. The same happened with earlier Archicad versions. Couldn.t find out the reason yet.
Maybe someone met the problem before?

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NVIDIA GEForce GTX 780M 4GB

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 11:27:33 GMT

Have you checked the Curtain Wall Model View Options for the View?

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

tottoratkai — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 12:26:54 GMT

Braza wrote:
Have you checked the Curtain Wall Model View Options for the View?

Thanks Braza for replying,

they are checked, too. It.s only this kind of door, when taken from Favourites.
If i just switch to vanilia CW door, i can see the glass. If I make a new type from Favourites, it goes homogenic despite the settings.

Normal door:

New door from favourites:

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 15:31:18 GMT

Ok... Check if there is any Material Override inside the panel itself.
What is the exact name of the CW Door? I just have the INT version.

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

tottoratkai — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 08:01:20 GMT

Braza wrote:
Ok... Check if there is any Material Override inside the panel itself.
What is the exact name of the CW Door? I just have the INT version.

The only material override are the ones visible in both posts from me above, which shows that glass shall be glass - anyway, i could paint it red, the entire panel remains black 😕
I couldn.t find other indicators that would change materials.

The problem only occurs if i save the type to favourites and use it from there - which means that the problem could have been solved manually for now... even though not very effectively.

It.s more about the wish to understand how things (don.t) work when they should.
Anyway, an Archicad 24 PLA with the problematic element can be downloaded frm here if anyone wants to do some tests, too.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OEN9UKwNK99ndJuWHgOhxWUGUVoFvBAr/view?usp=sharing

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

Barry Kelly — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 08:12:41 GMT

tottoratkai wrote:
Anyway, an Archicad 24 PLA with the problematic element can be downloaded frm here if anyone wants to do some tests, too.

It seems that you have the surface override on for the door panel.

Barry.

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

tottoratkai — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 08:33:06 GMT

Barry wrote:

tottoratkai wrote:
Anyway, an Archicad 24 PLA with the problematic element can be downloaded frm here if anyone wants to do some tests, too.

It seems that you have the surface override on for the door panel.

Barry.

Wow! that would solve my problem thanks!
The only problem that i don.t have such a field how could it be?

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 09:02:39 GMT

You will have to select the CW and enter the "Edit Mode". Then select the desired element and open its settings. You will see it as a drop down menu next to the bottom of the dialog box.

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

tottoratkai — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 11:40:05 GMT

tottoratkai wrote:

Barry wrote:

tottoratkai wrote:
Anyway, an Archicad 24 PLA with the problematic element can be downloaded frm here if anyone wants to do some tests, too.

It seems that you have the surface override on for the door panel.

Barry.
Wow! that would solve my problem thanks!
The only problem that i don.t have such a field how could it be?

Hey Braza, exactly.
This screenshot from the previous postis from there, that field is missing for me.

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

Barry Kelly — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 15:58:07 GMT

As Braza mentioned, you have to Go into 'Edit' mode for the Curtain Wall.
Then select the Door panel and have a look at the settings for that.

Barry.

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

tottoratkai — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 16:31:33 GMT

Barry wrote:
As Braza mentioned, you have to Go into 'Edit' mode for the Curtain Wall.
Then select the Door panel and have a look at the settings for that.

Barry.

Hei Barry, see my screenshot from 10:33.
That.s my door panel settings.

PS I just opened Archicad at another machine (also Catalina), trying to find the missing component - the same field missing: It might be a Mac-related bug. Gonna write to Graphisoft.
Thanks for the help guys! 

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 17:03:40 GMT

You could also check Work Environment > Tool Schemes > Tool Settings Dialog Boxes > Curtain Wall Panel Tool > Panel Component Settings.
Perhaps it is set to invisible.

Re: Curtain Wall not changing panel types

tottoratkai — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 07:38:12 GMT

Braza wrote:
You could also check Work Environment > Tool Schemes > Tool Settings Dialog Boxes > Curtain Wall Panel Tool > Panel Component Settings.
Perhaps it is set to invisible.

That was it.
Thanks a lot, Braza!!
I never suspected that such an important field could be hidden by default.... but now the sun can shine brighter thanks again!!