topic Re: Relevant stories vs. manually setting floor plan display in Modeling

Relevant stories vs. manually setting floor plan display

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2023 15:35:20 GMT

I don't understand why some objects in ARCHICAD allow you to customise the floor plan display to a very granular level (e.g. show on one story above and two stories below - like a slab), where as other objects can only be home story or "relevant" stories. It seems the former should be applied across all objects to allow for maximum customisation

Is there a particular reason why "Relevant stories" exist that is better than the other way??

Re: Relevant stories vs. manually setting floor plan display

Eduardo Rolon — Tue, 18 Dec 2018 09:34:31 GMT

Nope. Multiple wishes for the options to be consolidated. Assuming that the options were developed as new tools were introduced and that is why they are different.

Re: Relevant stories vs. manually setting floor plan display

Lingwisyer — Wed, 19 Dec 2018 01:41:10 GMT

What I do not get, that I have mentioned on other similar threads, is that the Home Story is not counted as Relevant by default...

Ling.

Re: Relevant stories vs. manually setting floor plan display

Barry Kelly — Wed, 19 Dec 2018 02:15:32 GMT

Lingwisyer wrote:
What I do not get, that I have mentioned on other similar threads, is that the Home Story is not counted as Relevant by default...
Ling.

Relevant just means the element is at least partially inside the storey range.
I am not sure why you would want to do this but you can place an element in one storey (I guess to set its height in relation to that storey) but still set its heights so it is entirely outside of that storey.
Therefore the logic is that there is nothing relevant to show in that home storey.

That's the way I see it anyway.

Barry.

Re: Relevant stories vs. manually setting floor plan display

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Dec 2018 02:27:20 GMT

Glad to know I'm not the only one confused about this! Often what I think is "relevant" is much different from what ARCHICAD thinks is "relevant"...!

Re: Relevant stories vs. manually setting floor plan display

Lingwisyer — Wed, 19 Dec 2018 03:18:10 GMT

Barry wrote:
I am not sure why you would want to do this but you can place an element in one storey (I guess to set its height in relation to that storey) but still set its heights so it is entirely outside of that storey.

A few times I have had elements that sit just below the floor level. I have gotten around this by setting my Floor Plan Plan Range to a negative floor above and current floor.

Ling.

Re: Relevant stories vs. manually setting floor plan display

Thomas Holm — Mon, 29 Jul 2019 15:57:38 GMT

I’d like to bump this thread!

Relevant just means the element is at least partially inside the storey range.
I am not sure why you would want to do this but you can place an element in one storey (I guess to set its height in relation to that storey) but still set its heights so it is entirely outside of that storey.
Therefore the logic is that there is nothing relevant to show in that home storey.

This “small” issue can become a major headache in some projects, especially when you’re dealing with complex floor heights, where you need to manipulate the story structure. As the designer, I should have the privilege to decide what is relevant to show. And for that, consistency among display options for building parts / tools / walls / objects etc. is essential. Today in Archicad 22 it is still possible to make a building part impossible to show in 2D by mistake! I should not have resort to manual methods (I.e. draw dumb contours, cut/paste to another story etc.) just to overcome the software’s shortcomings.

Despite not having used Revit, I think this is an issue where Revit’s Levels handling is superior to Archicad’s Stories.

Re: Relevant stories vs. manually setting floor plan display

DGSketcher — Mon, 29 Jul 2019 19:07:30 GMT

+1 for the consistent dialog. All (3D) elements should have the same storey display options, I can't think of a reason why they shouldn't. Using the same dialog should help consolidate the program coding (?).

Re: Relevant stories vs. manually setting floor plan display

Thomas Holm — Tue, 30 Jul 2019 10:17:41 GMT

IF not in Archicad 23, hopefully in 24?

Re: Relevant stories vs. manually setting floor plan display

Erwin Edel — Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:04:06 GMT

I think 'relevant' means it checks the floorplan projection range. You then (sometimes) have the option to show entire element or project floorplan range for things which might not have the same shape on every story.

There's a few things we generally draft with single plane roofs since these indeed offer a lot of options to make the floorplans look 'good'.

A couple of things I've noticed that work well over the years: main structure and facaded tend to work well with 'relevant', secondary walls work well with home story only. By default floor plan seems to project down a whole story, while ussually you just want to show to the level of the story, this ussually gets rid of a lot of unwanted doors/windows from stories below.

Finally dashed lines, crossed symbols and such ussually work well with 2d objects that have a script to dash on a story below/above and have full line on home story.