topic Re: complex profile wall / wall opening surface in Modeling

complex profile wall / wall opening surface

leven — Tue, 09 May 2023 14:19:17 GMT

Hi. Do you guys think it's possible to have the sides of the wall opening with the same surfaces as the main face of the wall? (In my case, pink in the upper area and grey in the bottom part). It is a complex profile wall. The side seems to take on the surface of the material in which the window sill is.

Re: complex profile wall / wall opening surface

Christophe Fortineau — Thu, 14 Nov 2019 11:26:43 GMT

Hello Leven,

Do you try to do a special material about your pink wall in the upper ?
A special material with pink appearance ?
Do you delete all your door frame ?

Re: complex profile wall / wall opening surface

leven — Thu, 14 Nov 2019 11:46:56 GMT

The pink and grey colors are linked directly to the materials. Surface overrides are activated neither in the complex profile settings nor in the general wall settings. Window casings are turned off.

Re: complex profile wall / wall opening surface

Christophe Fortineau — Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:02:18 GMT

Hello,

I invited you to duplicate your material only to give it a pink color
I think it will work

Attention, it is necessary to post screenshots of the INT version of Archicad.

Re: complex profile wall / wall opening surface

leven — Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:23:03 GMT

Thanks but it is the same issue regardless of what building material I use. By default, the entire height of the side of the opening is painted by the same material in which the window sill cuts.

Re: complex profile wall / wall opening surface

Anonymous — Thu, 14 Nov 2019 15:30:37 GMT

Try using the new AC23 Opening Tool to make the wall opening and then place the door/window with no reveal.

Re: complex profile wall / wall opening surface

Christophe Fortineau — Thu, 14 Nov 2019 16:05:02 GMT

Hi Leven,

You're right !
I have tried and all doors and windows seems to keep the material frame under.
So I invite you to put a volumes like these (few mm are enough) :

.. and do a SEO and hide your operator volumes :

If you work with AC23 you can try with the new hole tool !

Re: complex profile wall / wall opening surface

Barry Kelly — Fri, 15 Nov 2019 01:06:26 GMT

leven wrote:
The side seems to take on the surface of the material in which the window sill is.

I think it is actually based on the anchor point of the window/door - i.e. head or sill.

I don't think there is much you can do with the default Graphisoft doors and windows.
It is possible to solve in GDL (I have done this for my own windows) but I wouldn't want to mess around with the Graphisoft windows as they are a little complicated.

Christophe's solution of a slightly oversized opening is probably the best.
Or you could add a very thin & tall slab or beam (rather than a wall due to the automatic wall trimming) or even a morph surface.

Barry.

Re: complex profile wall / wall opening surface

Lingwisyer — Fri, 15 Nov 2019 04:44:31 GMT

Barry wrote:
It is possible to solve in GDL (I have done this for my own windows) but I wouldn't want to mess around with the Graphisoft windows as they are a little complicated.

I did not think that you could solve this in GDL in a direct sense as there is no way to request the breakdown of the division of surfaces in Complex Profiles as far as I knew. You could instead script in a secondary Wallhole or Wallniche with a user defined surface and height.

How did you do it in your windows?

n = REQUEST{4} ("Profile_component_info", name_or_index, component_ind, param_name,
value1, value2, ..., valuen)

Ling.

Re: complex profile wall / wall opening surface

Barry Kelly — Fri, 15 Nov 2019 06:00:06 GMT

Lingwisyer wrote:
I did not think that you could solve this in GDL in a direct sense as there is no way to request the breakdown of the division of surfaces in Complex Profiles as far as I knew. You could instead script in a secondary Wallhole or Wallniche with a user defined surface and height.

Correct.
My solution is not 100% automatic
I use WALLNICHE for the different inside and outside reveals that do find the wall surface automatically.
I then have a boolean switch if I want to split the external reveal material.
When that is activated you have to set the surface materials manually and there is an editable hotspot to adjust the height.

Barry.

Re: complex profile wall / wall opening surface

leven — Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:26:42 GMT

Thanks for all the tips and workarounds.

Re: complex profile wall / wall opening surface

Erwin Edel — Fri, 15 Nov 2019 13:09:32 GMT

I ussually put a column with the correct building material on the sides. The column will merge with the wall in floorplan and there's no need for SEO. You can use a beam for the top part if needed.