topic Re: 2172 folder name length big problem in Modeling

2172 folder name length big problem

Ignacio Azpiazu — Thu, 25 May 2023 16:19:18 GMT

2172 for Mac can't access from the Open command the folders with a longer name (didn't check exactly what the character count limit is). These are folders previous releases were opening with no problem. The files open all right from the Finder, but don't want to even think what can happen with project libraries, or BG ArchiCAD.

The network is a 100 mb Ehternet with G4 and G5s on OS 10.3 and 10.4. The server is OS 10.3.9 using AFP over IP and the data is stored on an xRAID [whatever all of that means].

Anybody else had this big problem?

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

TomWaltz — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:31:48 GMT

It's 27 characters. I've complained to GS about it, and it seems that it is going to be that way from now on.

This was added in build 2172. Apparently long file names were causing some kind of problem somewhere,

Gee, instead of fixing the bug, let's just outlaw long file names and break even more stuff....

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

Ignacio Azpiazu — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:01:37 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
It's 27 characters. I've complained to GS about it, and it seems that it is going to be that way from now on.

What happens when you open with 2172 or a future version a PLN or LBK created with the old version, which is in a project folder with more than 27 characters?

If you change the project folder name you need to relink all your hotlinks, Plotmaker drawings, and libraries. If you keep the old longer-than-27-and-therefore-now-unreadable folder name, do ArchiCAD and BGArchiCAD and Plotmaker still read all the paths somehow?

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

owen — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:07:12 GMT

oh thats awesome GS .. of course the problem isnt with your software, its with the operating system and all the other apps in the world that can take long file/filepath names!

r benbeneks avatar should become the new GS corporate logo

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2240

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

Anonymous — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:30:08 GMT

Ignacio wrote:
TomWaltz wrote:
It's 27 characters. I've complained to GS about it, and it seems that it is going to be that way from now on.

What happens when you open with 2172 or a future version a PLN or LBK created with the old version, which is in a project folder with more than 27 characters?

If you change the project folder name you need to relink all your hotlinks, Plotmaker drawings, and libraries. If you keep the old longer-than-27-and-therefore-now-unreadable folder name, do ArchiCAD and BGArchiCAD and Plotmaker still read all the paths somehow?

You cannot open the file as you cannot navigate past the folder with the long name. You can ironically, save to the longer name folder, but then you cannot access the file that you just saved.

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

Ignacio Azpiazu — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:07:35 GMT

You can still open the file from the Finder --which is not shiny clean, but clean enough if it saves you from the renaming-the-folder-and-relinking files-and-drawings-and-redirecting-libraries whole afternoon job.

So I was wondering if Plotmaker, ArchiCAD and BGArchiCAD somehow manage to keep the paths by somehow cropping the folder name internally, or if they will be giving me missing or deleted objects and drawings and hotlinks all over the place because they just ignore the 27+ character folder.

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

Eduardo Rolon — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:39:21 GMT

Another item affected is if you try to merge an AutoCAD file whose names exceeds the 27 character limit it will be unselectable in the merge window.

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

Anonymous — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:54:09 GMT

And as it happens, the ArchiCAD Favorites that we load are in folders with long names. This is dog is going to hunt for a while I am afraid...

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:01:19 GMT

This seems ridiculous. Does anyone know why we are still being subjected to file name limits that went away with Mac OS9? I thought that GS was working to fix this, not make it worse.

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

ci-JoshOs — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 04:17:57 GMT

Not to be down on anyone, but don't you think that a file/folder with 27+ is a bit much?
I just had a quick look over my machine, and the longest filename i can find is about 18 characters.
If i want to write an essay, i'll use Word.
Yes it is a bit backward that AC wont support a long filename, i agree, but i think that having shorter filenames in a more organised folder structure would benefit your workflow anyway.

BTW this bug isn't on the PC:-)

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

Eduardo Rolon — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 04:44:32 GMT

Not to be down on anyone...

I don't think the problem is for us and since I grew up using DOS 8.3 limit I don't have a problem with keeping it short but a lot of CAD "users" since Win95 got used to the idea of loooooong filenames.
Imagine my surprise when I couldn't import a dwg file from a consultant because he had written an "essay" for the file name. No error in AC just couldn't select the file for import, I was lucky to "guess" at the problem since AutoCAD could open the file without problems as did SketchUp, Illustrator and Vectorworks...

As for Windows to be unaffected it is not an excuse, what would happen if you would have to share a project between platforms. As I sometimes have to do.

WARNING
Always remember not to exceed AC's 27 character limit...

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

Anonymous — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:56:53 GMT

Let's not forget this new length limit is a change from previous versions of ArchiCAD. I am not sure what positive effect the change has had (though I would like to know), but the negative effects are obvious enough. Gone are the days of using the name+location of the project as the folder name for our CAD files.

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

Ignacio Azpiazu — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:22:30 GMT

I just found out that for browsing/opening/linking the long folder name problem can be bypassed by using a Finder alias (shortcut) with a shorter name for navigating into your file.

All the hotlinks libraries etc. seem to work fine also. I don't understand how or why this is supposed to work or not, but it does seem to work.

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

Anonymous — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:26:16 GMT

Thank you for the great hint! Another victory for non-linear thinking...

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

__archiben — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:53:57 GMT

henrypootel wrote:
Not to be down on anyone, but don't you think that a file/folder with 27+ is a bit much?

once you've typed the office/job no./project name/date/thereisnoroomleftforadescription.isthere?

~/archiben

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

TomWaltz — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:56:29 GMT

henrypootel wrote:
If i want to write an essay, i'll use Word

No, apparently you'll use Archicad-Talk 😉

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

TomWaltz — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:01:52 GMT

ejrolon wrote:
As for Windows to be unaffected it is not an excuse, what would happen if you would have to share a project between platforms. As I sometimes have to do.

.... or if the next build does it to Windows people as well....

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

ci-JoshOs — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:29:05 GMT

I would have thought that office, job number, and project name would all be folders. I have done a fair bit of programming and 3D Modelling and that is the kind of thing that we would do.

Of couse, I am not an architect so maybe there is some unwritten rule among the Secret Brethren of Architects(tm) which explicitly forbids this.

In that case, forgive me for my blasphemy and please do not visit your terrible wrath upon me!

p.s. This post was written in Word and therefore only contains words and concepts officially sanctioned by Microsoft Inc Co Ltd.

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

__archiben — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:34:56 GMT

henrypootel wrote:
I would have thought that office, job number, and project name would all be folders.

ah! you're the sort of bloke who'd have a billion job folders all with "floor plan.pdf" files in them?

the unwritten rule amongst the secret brethren-of-people-who-want-to-find-anything-again in the future is tag it with as much explicit information as possible!

i'd have you hung, drawn, quartered and your head hoisted up the flag pole if you did that here . . .

Re: 2172 folder name length big problem

ci-JoshOs — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:37:20 GMT

Sounds like another good reason to stay away from Christchurch!